# Undersized Throws **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [October 27, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331 "2018-10-27T16:53:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/21 "2018-10-29T17:57:17Z")
I have to say I super did _not_ care for the Executive. The others listed (Snack, Token, Siren, Parlay) are excellent though. Also seconding the Photon via @YoYoExpertGarrett, it is one of my favorite “slightly undersized” yoyos… but I like 'em wide :wink: ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/22 "2018-10-29T18:08:48Z")
Compared with most yoyos today, the one’s you listed I guess are considered undersized. But just a few years ago those were all normal sizes. I still think of yoyos in the mid 40mm’s and smaller being undersized. I’ve owned a ton of undersized yoyos, and by far I feel the best playing is the Executive. Super balanced, isn’t vibey. What didn’t you like about the Exec? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/23 "2018-10-29T18:31:45Z")
The 66% Sleipnir and the 66% Barracuda are both $85. Is there anything that makes one an obvious choice over the other? ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/24 "2018-10-29T18:41:46Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Do you mean _small_ , or slightly undersized? Yeah I was wondering the same. I’ve always considered “undersized” to be 50-52ish mm give or take. Well, that is once undersized stopped being “normal” sized. Below that I’ve always thought of it being pocket throw territory. Edit: Also, I wouldn’t even consider the flea a pocket throw. It’s in some kind of novelty category, although you could carry it if you wanted I suppose ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/25 "2018-10-29T18:56:17Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > The 66% Sleipnir and the 66% Barracuda are both $85. Is there anything that makes one an obvious choice over the other? Just preference really. The Barracuda was my favorite out of the 66% yo-yos so far, but they all play really well considering the size of them. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/26 "2018-10-29T22:37:38Z")
> [@Rosenberg](#): > > Yeah I was wondering the same. I’ve always considered “undersized” to be 50-52ish mm give or take. Well, that is once undersized stopped being “normal” sized. Below that I’ve always thought of it being pocket throw territory. See > [@Recommended "Best" Undersized Yo-Yo 2018?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/recommended-best-undersized-yo-yo-2018/292159/2): > > In my humble opinion, conceptually there are three tiers of “undersized” based on diameter: REALLY tiny, made entirely of very heavy metals like stainless steel or brass. 25mm-30mm diameter or less. This is getting into serious novelty throw territory. Examples: Heist, Flea, Aoda Little. Undersize, 31mm-49mm diameter – to me, this is “mainstream” undersized today. Tons of examples, C3 Token, TopYo Photon, Mini-Star 2. Moderately undersize, basically a 2010 idea of diameter and width, mo… Basically what happened is that modern yo-yos got so big over time that “2010 sized” became the new undersized. ---
**Author:** ![Theolodger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theolodger/32/65462_2.png) [@Theolodger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theolodger)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/27 "2018-10-30T10:06:56Z")
yeah definately ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo_man/32/109666_2.png) [@Yoyo\_Man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/28 "2018-10-30T22:09:23Z")
Mighty Flea ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/29 "2018-10-30T22:51:21Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Basically what happened is that modern yo-yos got so big over time that “2010 sized” became the new undersized. Yeah that’s what I was saying, that would make 50mm (+/-) undersize ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/30 "2018-11-01T22:51:20Z")
I wonder if there is a market for a **40/50/60** design (40mm wide, 50mm diam, 60g), with a gap width of around 4.3mm and a shape like the Pickaxe, or maybe the Parlay. All the “undersized” throws out there right now are either a touch too big or a touch too small for what I’d like from an undersized, unresponsive EDC throw. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/31 "2018-11-01T23:43:09Z")
Get an 888 and remove the hubstacks. That’ll be close to the 40/50/60. ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/32 "2018-11-01T23:53:32Z")
I agree, if your skill level is not there then you might not be able to fully get the most out of it? ---
**Author:** ![mOonman\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonman_v/32/39920_2.png) [@mOonman\_V](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mOonman_V)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/33 "2018-11-02T00:15:56Z")
I consider anything under that as undersized and it’s my personal preference. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/34 "2018-11-02T01:39:00Z")
Good point; hubstacks are quite heavy. You kinda _can’t_ have a low center weight yoyo if hubstacks are involved. ---
**Author:** ![GizzmoTheGreat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gizzmothegreat/32/41183_2.png) [@GizzmoTheGreat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GizzmoTheGreat)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/35 "2018-11-02T14:19:57Z")
I’d recommend The Gamer if you’re looking for something that’s “deep state” like for carrying around. It comes with a case, two bearings, one unresponsive center track and one responsive half spec, some string and a nifty little tool. For the price you can’t beat it, mine is DEAD smooth, the finishes are pretty slick, and it will do any of the tricks you like when set up as an unresponsive yoyo. Narrow enough that putting it in your pocket doesn’t look weird, and feels undersized in the hand. Also as a trainer it’s fantastic, the narrow gap makes you really focus on your accuracy. But then set up as a responsive is a super laid back throw for just relaxing. I love it. > **[Rain City](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/rain-city?variant=12603170291786)** ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/36 "2018-11-02T17:58:33Z")
I love One Drop yoyos, but all the reviews of the Parlay that I’ve seen describe it as pretty unstable due to its organic shape, flat bearing, and light weight. Adding brass side effects and a centering bearing seems to really help tame it. But a throw like the Pickaxe is about as heavy as regularly sized throw, has a beautiful H shape, and comes with a centering bearing. That would lead me to believe it would be a far more stable throw than a Parlay right out of the box. Can anyone who owns both confirm or deny this hypothesis? The only thing the Pickaxe has working against it, for me at any rate, is that it doesn’t come in solid colors, though the dual-blue splash version could be tolerable. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/37 "2018-11-02T18:19:46Z")
I’ve found a yoyo is only as stable as the one using it. I’ve seen players that don’t have that great of a throw make a Draupnir look unstable. I’ve never had any issues with the Parlay being unstable, even with a flat bearing. Doesn’t appear to have any stability problems in this video either 😄 [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/1/6/d1678bb775b3a9e49a79daa61ffc5f65124c51ab.jpeg "One Drop Yo-Yos X STATIC CO. Parlay") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttl2Q5v3lWs) > [@zslane](#): > > The only thing the Pickaxe has working against it, for me at any rate, is that it doesn’t come in solid colors The first run had solid gold and solid brown. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/38 "2018-11-02T18:21:06Z")
Parlay definitely isn’t unstable or underweight to me. It’s a very solid yo-yo! I would take the pickaxe over it though as the pickaxe is a bit more unique. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/39 "2018-11-02T18:24:53Z")
Well, both Nate (a G2 sponsored player) and Tom V. (who practically worships OD) describe the Parlay as fairly unstable out of the box, at least compared to normal-sized throws. And they are _way_ better than I am, so I figure I’m not going to get highly stable performance from it if they can’t. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331/40 "2018-11-02T18:29:14Z")
That criticism is kind of generic, though; it’s true of all undersized yoyos. There’s a _reason_ most folks make yo-yos around 53-56mm in diameter, or more :wink: That said, parlay is almost 54mm diameter so it’s not really _that_ undersized. Isn’t it more of a narrow-width throw overall? [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/undersized-throws/294331.md?page=3)