# this kinda annoys me...
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074 "2013-07-05T08:12:13Z")
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### Author:  [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/41 "2013-07-06T07:25:08Z")
> [@Bauzen](#):
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> > Yup, thays what I mean. Or like when you see a kid with your dream yoyo, and its super beat up, while he’s learning sleeper…
> > Sadly, true story :-\
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> A beat-up yoyo is one that is being put to use. If you spend $100+ on each yoyo in a vast collection, none of which have any dings, dents, pinpricks, or scratches… You’re just burning money on crap you don’t use. Take my word on it… This 99% of this stuff won’t appreciate in value. There’s no ‘intelligent’ reason to collect yoyos.
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> I make fun of those same motorcycle riders who spend $20,000+ on a top-of-the-line BMW or Ducati, then have less than 1,500 miles on their bikes three years later. It’s better to put the thing to use and enjoy it, than let it sit and collect dust. It’s only a waste when someone isn’t using it.
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> Then again, they have the loot to spend - It’s not really anyone else’s place to tell them how they can spend it.
Believe it or not, some do appreciate…momentarily. You just have to catch it at the right time if that is your intention.
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### Author:  [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/42 "2013-07-06T07:29:00Z")
> [@stookie](#):
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> > > I get what you mean, but I have to disagree… we just take good care if the yoyos, and we dont play them on concrete, we play them on carpet. Its not that we never play em! I was just making a joke kinda, how in my mind im yelling “NOOOOO DONT DO WALK YHE DOG ON THAT FLOOR!” ya know what I mean?
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> > Fact remains: dings, dents, scratches, whatever - it means it’s being put to use. At the end of the day, a yoyo is just a toy. It wasn’t designed to sit in a collection and look pretty. It was designed to be played. People with limited resources tend to buy cheaper stuff and beat it up, or by more expensive stuff and they’re too timid to use it.
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> > Who cares if it’s a $150 CLYW or a $20 Duncan? Either of them should be played, and being scuffed and abused is just part of playing with a toy.
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> I’d argue that it’s meant to be enjoyed. Well, first I’d argue that it’s meant to be purchased, but that’s obvious and kind of beside the point. As for what the designer intends, I mean really, would n’t you as a designer just be happy that someone wanted to own your design for whatever reason? I have experienced this personally as a watchmaker. My watches were quite expensive because of the nature of handbuilding anything, so some buyers commissioned watches that were really not intended to be worn. They were collecting “art”. Did that bother me? Not a bit. I still built the same precise instrument I would have for anyone else. I was still thrilled that someone would enjoy what I built. For all I know they spent 20 minutes a day just admiring it. That’s about all I could ask for regardless of the watch’s supposed purpose.
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> I’d probably also argue that pretty much no yoyo above $100 is really only intended to be played. I think that market exists because collectors see those yoyos as something more than a toy. There’s just no other explanation when you take into account values being affected by rarity, the concept of limited and special edition colorways/metals, and just everything that really defines the high end market. It’s as much about the idea of the yoyo as it is the play of the yoyo, and that’s just fine. Titaniums are probably some of the best examples because, while often fine yoyos in their own right, are just so far beyond any semblance of practicality that the only possible explanation for their existence is just something to be adored for its own sake.
Wasn’t actually necessary to quote all this, but I just wanted to mention that that is awesome that you are a watchmaker. Kudos sir. That truly is an art and a skill.
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### Author:  [@yoyo143](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyo143)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/43 "2013-07-06T07:29:17Z")
> [@Bauzen](#):
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> > I get what you mean, but I have to disagree… we just take good care if the yoyos, and we dont play them on concrete, we play them on carpet. Its not that we never play em! I was just making a joke kinda, how in my mind im yelling “NOOOOO DONT DO WALK YHE DOG ON THAT FLOOR!” ya know what I mean?
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> Fact remains: dings, dents, scratches, whatever - it means it’s being put to use. At the end of the day, a yoyo is just a toy. It wasn’t designed to sit in a collection and look pretty. It was designed to be played. People with limited resources tend to buy cheaper stuff and beat it up, or by more expensive stuff and they’re too timid to use it.
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> Who cares if it’s a $150 CLYW or a $20 Duncan? Either of them should be played, and being scuffed and abused is just part of playing with a toy.
What we are trying to say is that we do play them. Yes, I would beat up my onestar before I would beat up my supernova, but that’s because it plays better. Its like saying, would you want me to destroy your 2001 Toyota, or your 2014 Lamborghini? You would obviously say Toyota. Now your probably thinking " yes,but then I would never drive my lambo" thats a whole different story, a lambo is like 1 million more dollars than a yoyo…
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### Author:  [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/44 "2013-07-06T07:32:13Z")
> [@yoyo143](#):
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> > > I get what you mean, but I have to disagree… we just take good care if the yoyos, and we dont play them on concrete, we play them on carpet. Its not that we never play em! I was just making a joke kinda, how in my mind im yelling “NOOOOO DONT DO WALK YHE DOG ON THAT FLOOR!” ya know what I mean?
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> > Fact remains: dings, dents, scratches, whatever - it means it’s being put to use. At the end of the day, a yoyo is just a toy. It wasn’t designed to sit in a collection and look pretty. It was designed to be played. People with limited resources tend to buy cheaper stuff and beat it up, or by more expensive stuff and they’re too timid to use it.
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> > Who cares if it’s a $150 CLYW or a $20 Duncan? Either of them should be played, and being scuffed and abused is just part of playing with a toy.
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> What we are trying to say is that we do play them. Yes, I would beat up my onestar before I would beat up my suoernova, but that’s because it plays better. Its like saying, would you like me to destroy your 2001 Toyota, or your 2103 Lamborghini? You would obviously say Toyota. Now your probably thinking " yes,but then I would never drive my lambo" thats a different story, a lambo is like 1 million more dollars than a yoyo…
Do you expect somebody to buy a Lamborghini as an everyday car or as a car to enjoy and to push the limits of luxury? Kind of a similar analogy, maybe not so extreme. They probably have both for the appropriate scenarios.
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### Author:  [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/45 "2013-07-06T07:34:17Z")
> [@yoyo143](#):
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> > > I get what you mean, but I have to disagree… we just take good care if the yoyos, and we dont play them on concrete, we play them on carpet. Its not that we never play em! I was just making a joke kinda, how in my mind im yelling “NOOOOO DONT DO WALK YHE DOG ON THAT FLOOR!” ya know what I mean?
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> > Fact remains: dings, dents, scratches, whatever - it means it’s being put to use. At the end of the day, a yoyo is just a toy. It wasn’t designed to sit in a collection and look pretty. It was designed to be played. People with limited resources tend to buy cheaper stuff and beat it up, or by more expensive stuff and they’re too timid to use it.
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> > Who cares if it’s a $150 CLYW or a $20 Duncan? Either of them should be played, and being scuffed and abused is just part of playing with a toy.
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> What we are trying to say is that we do play them. Yes, I would beat up my onestar before I would beat up my suoernova, but that’s because it plays better. Its like saying, would you like me to destroy your 2001 Toyota, or your 2103 Lamborghini? You would obviously say Toyota. Now your probably thinking " yes,but then I would never drive my lambo" thats a different story, a lambo is like 1 million more dollars than a yoyo…
Just realized you are thinking way ahead in the future, man. I’d be very excited to see what Lamborghini comes up with in 2103! ;D
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### Author:  [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/46 "2013-07-06T08:06:05Z")
I think there are some people who are missing the point of “collecting” altogether. Anyone who cannot understand the point of paying for something and not using it, or just using it carefully, to preserve it in it’s purchased state, simply does not understand the “joy of collecting.” People collect all sorts of things, and it is not always because they believe it will appreciate in value, or even retain it’s present value. It might appreciate or retain value, but part of the point of collecting is the joy of doing so in the first place. There are people who enjoy the “hunt,” for certain limited yo-yos, and enjoy keeping track of organizing them, making deals for them, or sharing their collection with other collectors. Anyone missing the point of all that is missing the point of collecting altogether. Now, if a collection appreciates in value, that is an added bonus, but…you have to think smart. If a yo-yo collector was trying to make an investment to make money grow, they can put their money in stocks or somewhere else. But, the point of collecting is the joy of collecting. A person who only values a yo-yo as long as they can beat it up and ding it, that is perfectly fine too. But, they have no business looking down on a collector for the joy of collecting. You can look on Youtube and find a collection for almost anything…Rubik’s cubes, dolls, you name it. At the end of the day, no one is misguided about how to make their money grow, they are having fun and minding their own business. A collector is likely a player too, but they have found a hobby within a hobby, and that is what the difference is. It is the collectors who are paying the big money for yo-yos, and helping to keep all these yo-yo companies in business. If I only need 12 yo-yos to play, that’s cool, but if I need 500 to collect, the industry is better off financially. Everyone has a right to their point of view, but they should note that if everyone behaved in their point of view, the industry would be entirely different…in a bad way, and far less yo-yos would be bought and sold.
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### Author:  [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/47 "2013-07-06T08:54:36Z")
> [@JeiCheetah](#):
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> Best not to burden the mind with such thoughts, as a heavy mind weighs down the soul, and a weary soul is a soul of sorrow.
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> Care not for the throws of others, care not for the throws of your own, but for the soul of the throwing entailed, is where your focus should be.
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> Haru
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### Author:  [@Bauzen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bauzen)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/48 "2013-07-06T16:06:40Z")
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> I’d probably also argue that pretty much no yoyo above $100 is really only intended to be played. I think that market exists because collectors see those yoyos as something more than a toy. There’s just no other explanation when you take into account values being affected by rarity, the concept of limited and special edition colorways/metals, and just everything that really defines the high end market. It’s as much about the idea of the yoyo as it is the play of the yoyo, and that’s just fine. Titaniums are probably some of the best examples because, while often fine yoyos in their own right, are just so far beyond any semblance of practicality that the only possible explanation for their existence is just something to be adored for its own sake.
Titanium has very different characteristics than aluminum. Perhaps modern yoyo design hasn’t caught up to it yet, but you could have far thinner walls in the places where you don’t want weight, and more intelligent weight distribution utilizing Ti over Al. Again… Perhaps we’re not there yet technologically, but it’s not merely novelty. Titanium is an amazing metal and has the potential to change the game entirely for advanced players.
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> Believe it or not, some do appreciate…momentarily. You just have to catch it at the right time if that is your intention.
Few do… Most do not. Spending $100+ on a dozen yoyos puts you at over $1200 of investment into a collection. If two or three out of that dozen were to appreciate to double or triple their value, and you somehow find the right buyer to pay what you want for it, you’re still in the hole. Realistically, 3/12 yoyos won’t appreciate - 1/12 is more likely. People do the same thing with watches, sneakers, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Most of them buy stuff they don’t even like - simply banking on the premise that they’ll ALWAYS resell that stuff for more money. That’s being a businessman - not an enthusiast. An enthusiast buys something because he wants to enjoy it.
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### Author:  [@Bauzen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bauzen)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/49 "2013-07-06T16:19:00Z")
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> What we are trying to say is that we do play them. Yes, I would beat up my onestar before I would beat up my supernova, but that’s because it plays better. Its like saying, would you want me to destroy your 2001 Toyota, or your 2014 Lamborghini? You would obviously say Toyota. Now your probably thinking " yes,but then I would never drive my lambo" thats a whole different story, a lambo is like 1 million more dollars than a yoyo…
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> Do you expect somebody to buy a Lamborghini as an everyday car or as a car to enjoy and to push the limits of luxury? Kind of a similar analogy, maybe not so extreme. They probably have both for the appropriate scenarios.
I know a handful of people who have Porsches that they beat the utter-living crap out of at the racetrack. They then swap the tires and suspension setting back to their road setup, re-map the ECU, and drive their cars daily. In the Lambo/Toyota comparisons - it’s really no different. Any car was engineered and intended to be driven. Buying a Lambo and babying it, or using it sparingly is pointless. The truth of the matter is, people who can truly afford the maintenance of owning an exotic car push them to the limits. People who put them on a pedestal, keep them pretty in a garage instead of covered in brake dust on a racetrack are wasting a perfectly capable vehicle.
It’s really no different with yoyos. They’re toys. They’re meant to be played.
Buying one and not using it is a total waste in my eyes.
You guys might think differently, that’s fine. Heck, I’ve collected watches in the past, but even then, I’d wear them. Some appreciated, most didn’t. Some I’ve resold, others I’ve hung on-to… But if I don’t intend to wear one anymore because I’ve out-grown it, or I just lost interest in it, it serves no purpose in a drawer collecting dust. Someone else could appreciate it, so why not sell it and pass it to someone who’ll enjoy it?
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### Author:  [@Totalartist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Totalartist)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/50 "2013-07-06T16:26:57Z")
What the yo-yo is “meant” to do is determined by the person who buys it, for whatever purpose they bought it. No one else’s opinion matters to that buyer. I can buy a yo-yo to throw it, to collect it and put it on display, or both, or to just use it as a paperweight. It is all a matter of opinion how it serves it’s best and most useful purpose. If it’s my money, and my decision to buy the thing or not, it’s also my prerogative how it will be most useful once I own it. If anyone is annoyed by my use of what I owned and paid for, I say…be annoyed and let it eat away at you. At the end of the day, annoyed or not, someone paid their money for the thing, it is theirs and they can do what they want with it…and there is nothing you can do about it.
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### Author:  [@Noonar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Noonar)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/52 "2013-07-06T17:49:50Z")
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> > I know some sponsored yoyo players, and they love plastic. One of them actually prefers plastic over metal. It all comes down to preference honestly.
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> Yea like you said i know tyler severance and he loves his severe i think he likes it better than his supernova
I think the Yoyojam Classic is WAY better than the protostar.
It is way smoother and has almost no vibe. Well, at least mine has almost no vibe.
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### Author:  [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/this-kinda-annoys-me/56074/53 "2013-07-06T17:57:37Z")
> [@Noonar](#):
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> > > I know some sponsored yoyo players, and they love plastic. One of them actually prefers plastic over metal. It all comes down to preference honestly.
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> > Yea like you said i know tyler severance and he loves his severe i think he likes it better than his supernova
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> I think the Yoyojam Classic is WAY better than the protostar.
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> It is way smoother and has almost no vibe. Well, at least mine has almost no vibe.
My protostar has just about no vibe. Best plastic I’ve played besides the Northstar I traded long ago.
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