# The Ti-Vayder Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824 "2019-03-09T00:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1124 "2019-06-13T00:04:48Z")
I just checked, and no. You’d need a shorter axle ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1125 "2019-06-13T00:05:15Z")
Ok but the axle is rarely the problem, are the bearing posts short enough? Let me see… ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1126 "2019-06-13T00:07:55Z")
It’s looking like it should. They may touch though. I know the old VsNYYC posts would work. That’s the only reason I have this half spec bearing at all. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1127 "2019-06-13T00:09:00Z")
I’d be curious to hear @codinghorror’s thoughts on how the TiVayder plays with a responsive setup. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1128 "2019-06-13T00:11:05Z")
Oh I wait I see you need a SUUUPER short axle to make this work. I tried it without the axle at all and the bearing posts _do_ seem to fit with a half-spec bearing, but you’d need a super super tiny axle. I don’t actually have one small enough… ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1129 "2019-06-13T00:16:24Z")
I guess this means that God did not intend for the TiVayder to be played responsive. Do not anger God. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1130 "2019-06-13T00:19:19Z")
It would just require a small axle and the faith in that axle to not get seized up when you want to swap it back to the full length one. I don’t see why you’d want to do that, but to each their own :+1:. ---
**Author:** ![Malachi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/malachi/32/14039_2.png) [@Malachi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Malachi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1131 "2019-06-13T00:22:11Z")
I think I have some tiny axles around here… ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1132 "2019-06-13T00:23:55Z")
yeah I’m having real trouble getting the half-spec bearing _back out_ now… 🤬 may need to use vise grips I do think it will work provided you have a TINY axle and are willing to deal with it being very hard to remove. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1133 "2019-06-13T00:24:32Z")
See? You angered God… :wink: ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1134 "2019-06-13T00:25:04Z")
I got it out with a bearing removal tool no problem. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1135 "2019-06-13T00:28:43Z")
Both of the removal tools I have on hand aren’t working for me. Let me get the vise grips Dang no this one is stuck. I made a biiig mistake testing this on black, which has the most ano and thus the tightest bearing seat ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1136 "2019-06-13T00:40:25Z")
once you go half-spec you can’t go back, or something like that ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1137 "2019-06-13T00:43:34Z")
What sucks is this is one of the spares to be used in case anyone has a bad order that gets lost in the mail or whatever, so if I damage it… that’s bad. I think I’ll have to dremel this half-spec bearing off… nothing else I have is working, including two different bearing removal tools. The bearing post is _just_ high enough and tight enough that it can’t grab right against a half-spec bearing. Aha. I was able to get it by prying out the ball bearing retainer and a few ball bearings then wedging a knife edge between the two bearing metal edges and pushing 😅 (I have a ton of half-spec bearings so I was fine with one being sacrificed to the yo-yo gods.) PROTIP: if you must do this, try it on a raw. Least anodization therefore, the loosest bearing seat :wink: ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1138 "2019-06-13T01:07:12Z")
If you use a dremel please make a video. 📹📼 ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1139 "2019-06-13T01:12:16Z")
@codinghorror I just love this photo! Great job. 👌 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/c/3/2c38b0b8cdd6fa678dff584673c7701ff2f044fa.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![LinksLegionaire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/linkslegionaire/32/886_2.png) [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1140 "2019-06-13T01:16:31Z")
$140 + $80 shipping = still cheaper than most other titaniums. As I already have a Ti Walker (OG Luke), I only picked up a black Vayder instead of a black and a raw (Disney Luke). ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo\_Master1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyo_master1/32/1175_2.png) [@Yoyo\_Master1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo_Master1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1141 "2019-06-13T01:49:17Z")
@LinksLegionaire Since you have an OG ti walker I’d really like to hear your opinion of the Vayder when it comes in the mail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SpyseaRice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spysearice/32/82121_2.png) [@SpyseaRice](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SpyseaRice)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1142 "2019-06-13T02:06:18Z")
lol I got the dark side version because I like large numbers 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cassauk33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Cassauk33](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cassauk33)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1143 "2019-06-13T02:16:03Z")
I got a dark version looking forward to it thank you from the uk [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=53) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=55)