# The Ti-Vayder Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824 "2019-03-09T00:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![threebearrries](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/threebearrries/32/42073_2.png) [@threebearrries](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/threebearrries)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/206 "2019-03-13T00:59:14Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > This will help me determine manufacturing allocations for each colorway. I believe so, according to this statement in the original post. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/207 "2019-03-13T01:00:50Z")
BTW, my understanding was that you can’t anodize titanium. I presume, then, that these colors will be achieved through physical vapour deposition (PVD)? ---
**Author:** ![Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dust/32/83340_2.png) [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/208 "2019-03-13T01:02:24Z")
You can ano Ti, its just done with a different technique. Also you cant get a true red with Ti, and black is done via PVD. ---
**Author:** ![JSERR](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jserr/32/186876_2.png) [@JSERR](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JSERR)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/209 "2019-03-13T04:43:32Z")
@zslane you can anodize! But it’s way different. I’ve done it myself on knives. It requires electricity more than chemicals like aluminum anodizing. It also has less of a color spectrum. Reds and black are out. Mostly blues, purples, bronze and greens. I still want to see flamed ones though! I did the knife and pen with 9v batteries. The guy who did the knife scales was crazy and used a torch! ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/3/a/d3a444b280f9ff6e03700d041d59741e79bde92e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/f/9/cf9bc95cfa25003c531665c90a8eaec9ce0b2491.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![gcoomans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gcoomans/32/25166_2.png) [@gcoomans](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gcoomans)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/210 "2019-03-13T04:48:01Z")
Haha I’ll board that hype train! ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/211 "2019-03-13T14:00:11Z")
> [@andy569](#): > > Anything under $200 is an insanely good price for a ti, anything under $180 is just ridiculous, I think hoping for much more is asking for way too much. > > This is already really generous as it is, it’ll probably be around $150 but I was fully expecting it to be $300 when he announced this. > [@zslane](#): > > Well, another way to take it would be as a slight exaggeration. It should be fairly obvious that Jeff really means, “Everyone who can afford a yoyo in the $150-200 range,” not literally “Everyone on earth.” That’s why, I suspect, he changed over to the word _lots_ instead. There is no single literal definition for that word which paints him into a rhetorical corner. Just to comment on these again, Jeff did say that he was going to be selling these at just above cost, and if there was any extra, or profit, it would be donated to Purple Yoyo. Yes, Sub $200 is a good price for a **company** to sell a titanium at. But again, the original intention, as mentioned in the first post of this thread, was that Jeff would be making a large order of these to get the price low and then sell them at a low price, so that “_everyone_ can get a chance to enjoy the magic of this legendary yoyo”. Some of the other independent ti releases that have been made have been $150-180, and that is with the person behind it making a profit. So I’d say that if these are not the intentions now, as it is beginning to feel, that should be stated. ---
**Author:** ![Grendel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grendel/32/92975_2.png) [@Grendel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grendel)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/212 "2019-03-13T18:33:02Z")
Am I the only one here who remembers the past??? Why would anyone ever trust this guy?? ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/213 "2019-03-13T18:35:03Z")
That was like 7 years ago man. Honestly, it’s all on him to do right from here on out. ---
**Author:** ![Jhonaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhonaker/32/49024_2.png) [@Jhonaker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jhonaker)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/214 "2019-03-13T18:35:43Z")
I believe in redemption, and the past should never be forgotten. But we can’t continue to remain fixated in the past. Ultimately though this is very much a @codinghorror project and I do have trust in him. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/215 "2019-03-13T18:36:11Z")
Even OJ got a second chance :joy: ---
**Author:** ![Grendel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grendel/32/92975_2.png) [@Grendel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grendel)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/216 "2019-03-13T18:37:12Z")
When he brings in his bloody gloves I’ll forgive him. ---
**Author:** ![Jhonaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhonaker/32/49024_2.png) [@Jhonaker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jhonaker)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/217 "2019-03-13T18:37:15Z")
Steve Jobs was fired from Apple for being terrible. He was eventually given a second chance. ---
**Author:** ![Grendel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/grendel/32/92975_2.png) [@Grendel](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Grendel)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/218 "2019-03-13T18:39:35Z")
You guys can do what you want my money is staying in my pockets. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/219 "2019-03-13T18:43:53Z")
> [@Grendel](#): > > Am I the only one here who remembers the past??? Not the only one. It’s a very interesting project, but the more it gets talked about, quite frankly, some things aren’t adding up. In another thread it was said that this is now an official Vs. Newton project, or collaboration. This project seems to have made a lot of twists in a matter of 5 days :thinking: I’m all for people moving forward, being forgave and given a second chance, but there needs to a good track record of them moving away from their past. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/220 "2019-03-13T18:54:32Z")
> [@AaronW](#): > > This project seems to have made a lot of twists in a matter of 5 days Twists which were probably inevitable once Heath was officially on board. Twists which, quite frankly, are pretty minor in my view. Nothing has raised any red flags for me so far. But then, I wasn’t burned by Heath in the past, nor am I prone to imagining the worst possible outcome and basing my actions on that no matter how low its likelihood. ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/221 "2019-03-13T19:00:38Z")
> [@Damb](#): > > Even OJ got a second chance :joy: You did not just compare yo-yos and [not saying it but you get the point]. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/222 "2019-03-13T19:01:30Z")
Was a joke :wink: ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/223 "2019-03-13T19:01:54Z")
Lol ik. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/224 "2019-03-13T19:03:21Z")
Allow me to further clarify: - no money is coming my way - I have made zero of the decisions involving quantity and price sold for. I gave opinions when asked, but those decisions were and are ultimately up to Jeff. - I tested the proto and gave the project an official collaboration green light, and will be hand testing each individual yoyo after production before shipping them to whomever Jeff sees fit. I know that that still isn’t enough for some of you, and I have to accept that. I am currently in discussion with Andre on how to proceed with VsN from here, but this release isn’t really mine to halt, and could have been done regardless without any legal action should Jeff had not been so kind as to seek my blessing. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/225 "2019-03-13T19:04:48Z")
Thank you for that openness and clarification Heath :+1: [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=12)