# The Ti-Vayder Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824 "2019-03-09T00:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![sloegoe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sloegoe/32/804_2.png) [@sloegoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sloegoe)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2125 "2019-11-27T03:06:53Z")
You might think this sounds weird… but the Dang 2 feels very close but bigger too ---
**Author:** ![Texastornado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/texastornado/32/281122_2.png) [@Texastornado](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Texastornado)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2126 "2019-12-28T01:09:27Z")
Put in an order for gray. I was hoping to snag a raw but those are gone. Snooze you lose I guess. ---
**Author:** ![beherenow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/beherenow/32/125309_2.png) [@beherenow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/beherenow)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2127 "2019-12-28T23:01:02Z")
I was playing with polish vs matte on a ti flipper I had. I was going for a copper patina look. Always thought it would look good on a ti-vayder. More room in the cup etc. to work the blends. Every color is on the handles in some small way and it really changes up nice in the sun but is hard to photograph as you mentioned. Congrats with SB! I was always inspired to get into aluminum anno from ya’lls picks. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/6/d/66db5a3ae58f6d78c91d53ebcc3a268528acd939.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/2/b/12b8667644e049eed8f6248da3ffcf7c888c4d39.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/c/1/3c137a8181fd679a4a43104fe4f13aad43d4cea4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2128 "2020-01-05T22:14:50Z")
Follow up, I have made a small run of yoyo holsters if people are interested! Introducing the Bear Hug! 🙂 > [@FS: The Bear Hug: SOLD OUT FOR NOW - A handmade tailor-fit holster for the Ti-Vayder yoyo (fits most modern yoyos)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/fs-the-bear-hug-a-handmade-tailor-fit-holster-for-the-ti-vayder-yoyo-fits-lots-of-other-yoyos-too/313087): > > Hey yoyo friends, Over the holidays I made 5 yoyo holsters that I am looking to sell. The Bear Hug is a design that I have been enjoying and improving over the years. I really love using mine and would love to share with a few other peeps. slight_smile The design combines the strength, security and colour-pop of 550 paracord with the contouring shape and aesthetic of a leather strap. I custom cut each piece of leather so that it perfectly fits around the string (keeping it contained and clea… ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2129 "2020-01-11T02:44:44Z")
~~If anyone wants a free Ti-Vayder sticker, PM me! I’ll send stickers to the first 5 people who PM me, so there’s a cap on how much work I have to do here. Be sure to provide your mailing address in the PM please to expedite things :wink:~~ all done Stock is running pretty low on grey and black so do be sure to order soon-ish if you’re gonna. ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2130 "2020-01-13T01:08:03Z")
I’ve been away for over a year, I’ve missed all this. in 2016 I wrote something to Heath … happy to see that it happened.! ![Cattura](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/a/a/8aa26527f04fb604aed4145147727e83a6a361a3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2131 "2020-01-13T01:19:27Z")
I had to give a brother to the Ti-Walker # 75, at this point it was necessary. A gray Ti-Vayder will soon leave for Italy. “come to us great soul, she is summoned, she is waiting!” ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2132 "2020-01-13T18:52:22Z")
I don’t think that you will be dissapointed! 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2133 "2020-01-15T14:23:25Z")
Wow! From what I see You have a perfect Ti-Walker on your hands. :wink: Look forward to having fun with mine!😍 ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2134 "2020-01-15T14:51:41Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#): > > I was fully aware of that before I posted… Because you already told me that🤔 > > But altering the gap and the response obviously keeps them from being identical/clones. Clones; by nature of definition; means identical in every way. That; they are not… > > And the simple fact that they play better than the originals; lends to the recognition of that reality. When the Vayder arrives, I will be able to tell you how it plays compared to the Ti-Walker but I am 99% sure that it is more or less the same thing, I have modified various recesses and used thicknesses or turned cups of many yoyos to change their response and gap … And I’ve never achieved anything so obvious or different. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2135 "2020-01-15T17:35:41Z")
The Vayder plays better than the Original TiWalker. I have 2 TiWalkers and 3 Vayders. No mistake. No dreaming. No guessing… The Vayder is a better yoyo. It’s even smoother. My Vayders are DEAD SMOOTH. PS… just a random thought. Anybody notice Heath just kinda Vanished again? Jeff was a Genius in getting this Vayder project done. ---
**Author:** ![EmpiricalWorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/empiricalworm/32/61066_2.png) [@EmpiricalWorm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EmpiricalWorm)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2136 "2020-01-15T17:41:28Z")
I received my stickers today! Thanks so much man. ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2137 "2020-01-15T17:49:59Z")
I will be curious to verify in person … I also own a Ti-Walker, it will be interesting to verify if it really is so. I will let you know my impressions as soon as I can. p.s. a curiosity, why do you own 3 Vayder? the purchases were not limited to 2 pieces per person to give everyone the opportunity to have them? ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2138 "2020-01-15T18:06:29Z")
> [@persson](#): > > the purchases were not limited to 2 pieces per person to give everyone the opportunity to have them? It’s proof that yoyodoc is actually two people. Yoyo, and Doc. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2139 "2020-01-15T18:11:45Z")
A third Vayder can be obtained via BST, or via a friend/SO who buys the third as a gift (as was the case with me). There are still Vayders available so I don’t think opportunities to obtain them have been impacted by those rare few who have managed to acquire all three colorways. ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2140 "2020-01-15T18:24:52Z")
asking is legitimate, if he took it used or was given it no problem was just a curiosity. however, in principle, a rule is a rule, if they are still available it does not mean anything, there will still be a time when they will be finished and potential buyers who cannot do it, it will also be because of those rare cases that wanted to have all of them variants or more. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2141 "2020-01-15T18:44:31Z")
Explanation on why Mo has 3 Vayders\> I don’t remember the exact number offhand. But Jeff sent out a small number of unmarked Vayders to people he felt helped contribute in one way or another to the Vayder Project. He decided that I was one of those people. So one day I got a box in the mail and lucky me. I understood there would be a good number released. I understood there was some notice posted(somewhere) buyers would be limited to purchasing 2 of the Vayders. So that more people would have a chance at getting one. Nobody ever mentioned to me that a person could not ‘own’ more than 2 Vayders. Just that an individual could not buy more than 2 Vayders. I contacted Jeff and thanked him enthusiastically for being nice enough to put me on that inner list for a Free Vayder. As soon as I threw it for a few minutes, I knew it was Seriously good! \<\> \*Realize that I have had 2 Ti Walkers for years… so it wasn’t an unfamiliar shape or feel for me. But as well as the Ti Walker plays; the Vayder is simply better. My next thought was, ‘These yoyos are going to sell very quickly’. I remember vaguely there were between 3 and 5 hundred? I wasn’t sure. But I do remember the plan to make enough so more folks would have a chance to own one. So I waited for the initial full drop and just hoped there would be enough to go around? There was some strong sales at the drop, but not ‘hundreds’… Sales slowed. There seemed to be more than enough to satisfy those that want/wanted one. I contacted Jeff and asked if he had enough left because I was in a buying mood? He said plenty… Sales good but plenty left. So I purchased my individual limit of 2. …I’ve had a few people contact me and asking me how I can have 3 when you are only supposed to be able to buy 2? Easy answer. I only bought 2. I didn’t try to Ace out anybody. I could have bought 50 of them and just sat on them for a spell🤓 I hear there are still some left. Hard to believe that is true🤔 It’s the Best cost effective deal in the entire history of Titanium yoyos. People are still trying to buy black #420 off me. Has something to do with weed or whatever? …One guy told me, ‘I don’t even have one Vayder and you have 3. I told him there are still some left. Why don’t you buy one? He told me he doesn’t have the money and he doesn’t spend that much on any yoyo. DOH! That is waaay too funny. He doesn’t have the money for one. If he did, he wouldn’t spend it on one. But he thinks I am a yo-hog for having more than 2. A real life adventure … ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2142 "2020-01-15T18:53:01Z")
> [@yoyodoc](#): > > Nessuno mi ha mai detto che una persona non poteva “possedere” più di 2 Vayders. Solo che un individuo non poteva comprare più di 2 Vayder. exactly. inaftti you also followed the rule you bought 2 (the one that was given to you for testing is a different thing and has nothing to do with the purchasing rule). Thank you so much for the clarification! P.S. do you know how much the unsold to date are roughly? ---
**Author:** ![eternalmetal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eternalmetal/32/44877_2.png) [@eternalmetal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/eternalmetal)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2143 "2020-01-15T18:54:21Z")
Tl;dr: this: > [@yoyodoc](#): > > Nobody ever mentioned to me that a person could not ‘own’ more than 2 Vayders. Just that an individual could not buy more than 2 Vayders. BST is completely fair game also. The limitation should only be that of the official sales. Seeing as they are still in stock, people have had more than enough time to buy brand new anyways. edit: owning and not appreciating the black #420 is a sin, despite the puerile vapid happiness that you may perceive it might give. ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2144 "2020-01-15T19:11:35Z")
> [@Lukoyo](#): > > Sono tornato a casa dal lavoro e nella mia cassetta delle lettere c’era una bolla di consegna che diceva che dovevo pagare £ 55 in tasse! Inutile dire che non ero divertito. 😵 55£ for 140$ worth!!! move to another country !!! 😃 I haven’t been shopping in the US for a while now (and last time I bought a Spyy Tyy-01, customs was not requested from me) but years ago from Japan for amounts of about 130 Euros the full customs tax amounted, for my country, to about 30 Euros (very different amount from 55£!) has the world gotten worse lately? we’ll see. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=100) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=102)