# The Ti-Vayder Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824 "2019-03-09T00:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/186 "2019-03-12T21:11:25Z")
Yeah, the Tiyo as far as I can see was made so that players could experience playing with a titanium yoyo at the cheapest price point possible. The Ti-Vayder goal is different (@codinghorror please correct me if I’m wrong). This run is intended to get an already incredibly well received and virtually impossible to attain yoyo design to the masses at a price a considerable amount of the community can afford. As I see it it’s not really fair to compare the goals to each other. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/187 "2019-03-12T21:12:43Z")
With that said, I don’t see anyone saying the price is unjustified other than internet trolls. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/188 "2019-03-12T21:17:24Z")
Gotcha. I was just going by Jeff’s comments as seen below 🙂 Looking forward to this, especially since seeing you say that it plays the same as an original 😃 > [@codinghorror](#): > > to be available at a surprisingly low price, so _everyone_ can get a chance to enjoy the magic of this legendary yoyo > [@codinghorror](#): > > This will be a charity release (any profits will go to purpleyoyo > [@codinghorror](#): > > this has never been a profit play, the whole idea is to get a legendary unobtainable yo-yo in the hands of _lots of_ yo-yoers at near cost > > any extra proceeds above cost were always going to go to a charity, per my earlier replies ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/189 "2019-03-12T21:18:52Z")
All of those statements still very much hold true, except the charity being donated to itself. Jeff has given me the go ahead to assign the charity money. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/190 "2019-03-12T21:23:00Z")
More than I could see myself ever having the means to do without Jeff. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/191 "2019-03-12T21:25:27Z")
I’m really counting on the ‘everyone’ that @codinghorror said. I’m hoping that means that the price will be low enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/192 "2019-03-12T21:53:42Z")
Well, to be fair, Jeff did go from the word _everyone_ to _lots_, perhaps to avoid people taking him too literally? ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/193 "2019-03-12T22:45:45Z")
Not sure how else to take the word ‘everyone’ other than for what it means. I was taking that it meant it’s going to be very inexpensive. It really doesn’t matter. Titanium is always out of my price range these days. ---
**Author:** ![Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dust/32/83340_2.png) [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/194 "2019-03-12T22:56:32Z")
> [@FourCorner](#): > > Prediction: this is going to be the most anticipated release in recent yoyo history. I think this is an accurate thought! I know this stands true for me. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/195 "2019-03-12T23:21:32Z")
Anything under $200 is an insanely good price for a ti, anything under $180 is just ridiculous, I think hoping for much more is asking for way too much. This is already really generous as it is, it’ll probably be around $150 but I was fully expecting it to be $300 when he announced this. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/196 "2019-03-12T23:26:24Z")
Yeah I won’t be able to afford that. Guess I’ll make myself a wooden one and call it the Wooden Ewok. ---
**Author:** ![WickerWraith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/wickerwraith/32/60872_2.png) [@WickerWraith](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/WickerWraith)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/197 "2019-03-12T23:26:32Z")
@HVizier @codinghorror I’m guessing it’s the standard grade 5 titanium that these will be machined out of? And again, please consider doing any number in AMS if you can manage it. that would be KILLER. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/198 "2019-03-12T23:55:57Z")
Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is AMS? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/199 "2019-03-13T00:10:19Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > Not sure how else to take the word ‘everyone’ other than for what it means. Well, another way to take it would be as a slight exaggeration. It should be fairly obvious that Jeff really means, “Everyone who can afford a yoyo in the $150-200 range,” not literally “Everyone on earth.” That’s why, I suspect, he changed over to the word _lots_ instead. There is no single literal definition for that word which paints him into a rhetorical corner. ---
**Author:** ![WickerWraith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/wickerwraith/32/60872_2.png) [@WickerWraith](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/WickerWraith)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/200 "2019-03-13T00:33:09Z")
AMS2488 type II, a special Teflon-like coating for titanium that Jeffrey pang uses on some of his models. Best finger grind titanium EVER, and looks slick as hell as well! ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/201 "2019-03-13T00:35:56Z")
AMS is just a standard table of titanium types, right? Why does “AMS” refer to only AMS2488 Type II in this context? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/202 "2019-03-13T00:36:10Z")
The grey and black have that effect, though it is not AMS. They are noticeably “slicker”, and the darker one is more so, probably since it has more anodization to arrive at the darker color. (Not to the point that I would call it a “slick” finish per se but you can tell the difference at a touch over raw.) ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/203 "2019-03-13T00:37:09Z")
Would you say the “slicker” one is capable of grinds and finger spins? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/204 "2019-03-13T00:37:42Z")
I would definitely go for the grey or black if you are into slightly slicker finishes. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/205 "2019-03-13T00:55:47Z")
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