# The Ti-Vayder Experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824 "2019-03-09T00:05:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1 "2019-03-09T00:05:28Z")
> šŸ“£ **GOOD NEWS!** Heath announced that heā€™s [OK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/122) with this project as a **collaboration** , and posted [his review of the Ti-Vayder](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ti-vayder-the-ti-walker-designer-s-review/299967). Manufacturing is complete, and the release has occurred at the website with the same name as the yo-yo. Orders are now shipping daily. If youā€™ve heard of [the legendary VsNYYC Ti-Walker](http://www.highspeedyoyo.com/reviews/n-z/vs-newton-yoyo-concepts/vsnyyc-ti-walker), you know that a lot of people consider it [one of the best](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/whats-the-best-numero-uno-yoyo-out-there/294313) ā€“ if not _the_ best ā€“ yo-yos ever made. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/3X/5/0/5050e34f6b7e695eddc0eee9ec34b2d52ea5f506.jpeg) (photo courtesy @jasonwongzero) [Released in February 2011](https://yoyoexpert.com/blog/ti-walker-count-down-begins/), it was definitely a design far ahead of its time. But the bad news, for you, is that [**less than 100** of these were ever made](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/vsnyyc-ti-walker-holders-thread/67041) ā€¦ something that Heath, the founder of VsNYYC, regretted in 2012: > [@Ti Walkers might come back if Heath gets 200 likes on this link.](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ti-walkers-might-come-back-if-heath-gets-200-likes-on-this-link/41226/54): > > Essentially, I am acknowledging that limiting the Ti Walkers to a single run was a mistake on my part as a still wet behind the ears entrepreneur. For most yo-yoers the idea of getting a Ti-Walker was, and is, an unobtainable dream. That is ā€¦ until today. I borrowed a Ti-Walker, digitally measured and digitally weighed it (these pics courtesy yoyodoc, whose figures match my own) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/c/4/6c423bdcce864bdf5b7744b9fb9f23844946eae9.jpeg) and then sent each half to two different 3D scanning companies to produce _extremely accurate_ 3D scans of the Ti-Walker. | Measurement | Scan 1 | Scan 2 | Units | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Width | 20.307 | 20.594 | mm | | Diameter | 53.352 | 53.271 | mm | | Weight | 30.205 | 30.433 | g | | Moment | 14,160 | 14,240 | g mm2 | ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/3/e/93e8e1ada5bbbdc5184a5b02cfc769820d8b1f26.jpeg) With the help of @MarkD who has experience manufacturing yo-yos, we worked through creating a millimeter accurate composite of both halves with FPM (Fenghuida Precision Manufacturing Co). You may know FPM as YoyoFriends, who created the Hummingbird. Weā€™ve been meticulous and demanding in being as faithful as possible to the timeless magic of Heathā€™s original Ti-Walker design ā€¦ with two exceptions recommended by @chaosgow: 1. Gap widened to a modern 4.5mm. 2. Response area changed to standard 19mm slim silicone sticker pads. I received three prototypes today, so the project can now officially be launched. I am proud to present to you, a trip to the **dark side** of yo-yo manufacturingā€¦ the natural titanium foil to the Ti-Walkerā€¦ ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/2/2/1225a27a25ba1c589120664f96a5cb7166e41398.jpeg) ### The Ti-Vayder ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/4/2/c429b73e40153ac26c643b3b96a2c303c95e25e8.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/5/6/a5635a1f690aacd7acdaf32b6c22a0da657d7e3d.jpeg) Manufacturing begins as soon as these prototypes get a bit of testing, and this is a **big run** ā€“ some say itā€™s the biggest run of a Titanium yo-yo theyā€™ve ever heard of ā€“ to be available at a surprisingly low price, so _everyone_ can get a chance to enjoy the magic of this legendary yoyo, with adjustments for modern standards of play. Letā€™s begin with a poll ā€“ if I said I would give _one_ of these to you for free, so it doesnā€™t cost you anything, which color would you pick? This will help me determine manufacturing allocations for each colorway. _Poll ([view on site](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/1))_ UPDATE: Based on polling, the final release will be available in these colorway allocations with these specific engraved numbers: - 135 raw (1 - 135) - 200 grey (136 - 335) - 165 black (336 - 500) **Price is $140** , available at the website with the same name as the yo-yo. ~~I also need someone to record a short series of trick videos with the yo-yo to feature on the webpage weā€™ll set up for it.~~ Keep your šŸ‘€ on this space for further updates! ---
**Author:** ![Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dust/32/83340_2.png) [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/2 "2019-03-09T00:10:55Z")
MegaHYPE!! Bro, put me down for one without question or reserve. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/2/f/92f8b1bc0592274683b257c06bd16688da322639.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/3 "2019-03-09T00:15:17Z")
That poll needs to be multiple-choice! I would probably buy both the raw and the black. Making me choose only one is so unfairā€¦! šŸ˜± ---
**Author:** ![threebearrries](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/threebearrries/32/42073_2.png) [@threebearrries](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/threebearrries)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/4 "2019-03-09T00:27:36Z")
finally šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/5 "2019-03-09T00:27:37Z")
Making changesā€“even relatively minor onesā€“to it is actually kind of brilliant. 1. It guarantees that it wonā€™t de-value the original or threaten its near-mythic status. 2. It brings it up to modern standards with regard to gap and response. 3. It makes having both worthwhile. Of course, I predict that owners of the original will dismiss it with statements like ā€œItā€™s good, but the original is _way_ better.ā€ Even if a double-blind test demonstrated a general inability to tell them apart, there will be those who say it doesnā€™t capture the ā€œmagicā€ of the original. It is simply human nature. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/6 "2019-03-09T00:32:30Z")
This looks really great! ---
**Author:** ![Jhonaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhonaker/32/49024_2.png) [@Jhonaker](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jhonaker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/9 "2019-03-09T00:47:54Z")
All for it 100%. Awesome to here especially being affordable! Iā€™ve officially been hyped! ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/10 "2019-03-09T00:50:19Z")
TAKE. MY. MONEY. Will probably be my first Ti. Havenā€™t bought a new yoyo in a minute ---
**Author:** ![bobafret](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bobafret/32/260814_2.png) [@bobafret](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bobafret)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/11 "2019-03-09T00:50:44Z")
TK-72569 reporting for HYPE! ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/12 "2019-03-09T00:51:33Z")
Was fully expecting a $300 price tag but now Iā€™m excited šŸ˜Æ:thinking: ---
**Author:** ![Marm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marm/32/46204_2.png) [@Marm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/13 "2019-03-09T00:53:44Z")
Too bad I have no money for it šŸ¤§. One day ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/15 "2019-03-09T00:56:48Z")
I could buy Marmalade from youā€¦ I do need a šŸˆ ---
**Author:** ![Marm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marm/32/46204_2.png) [@Marm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/16 "2019-03-09T00:58:15Z")
Over my corpse ---
**Author:** ![Marm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/marm/32/46204_2.png) [@Marm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/17 "2019-03-09T00:59:30Z")
You know Iā€™m joking Sorta šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/18 "2019-03-09T01:01:02Z")
WHAT!? The wait is over, hope I will have the money. ---
**Author:** ![Dust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dust/32/83340_2.png) [@Dust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Dust)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/19 "2019-03-09T01:02:28Z")
I just tucked $$ away into an envelope. Im ready to pay _today._ Putting it away in an envelope ensures that when time comes, I already am ready already. Yussss \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Applepooh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/applepooh/32/40751_2.png) [@Applepooh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Applepooh)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/20 "2019-03-09T01:27:24Z")
Oh em geeā€¦ I think a trip to da bay is in order. @codinghorror youā€™re an evil genious arnt ya. Minus the evil part. ---
**Author:** ![feryuweryu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/feryuweryu/32/42092_2.png) [@feryuweryu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/feryuweryu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/21 "2019-03-09T01:30:18Z")
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE! ! (Discourse asked me if this is a real sentence šŸ˜œ ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/22 "2019-03-09T01:33:45Z")
A few more questions: 1. Does this have Heathā€™s blessing? Is he involved in any way? 2. Who is underwriting this endeavor? The capital required to pump out ā€œa lotā€ of titanium throws at an unusually low price is pretty substantial. So who are the investment partners in this venture? 3. Will it be available for purchase through YYE? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824/23 "2019-03-09T01:37:36Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > Does this have Heathā€™s blessing? Is he involved in any way? Iā€™ve tried contacting him a few times over the last ~6 months, both directly and through intermediaries, with no response. @HVizier you out there man? > [@zslane](#): > > Who is underwriting this endeavor? _Moi._ I am man of means. > [@zslane](#): > > Will it be available for purchase through YYE? This will be a charity release (any profits will go to [http://purpleyoyo.org/](http://purpleyoyo.org/)), so itā€™ll be sold directly from a webpage using a fulfillment service, probably [https://www.blackbox.cool/](https://www.blackbox.cool/). [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-ti-vayder-experience/299824.md?page=2)