# The same yo-yo in plastic, metal, and bimetal? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867 "2018-08-18T00:02:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/23 "2018-08-27T07:00:08Z")
Nah, you can compare screenshots on other sites that take much better close up pictures than I do. You’re right that there is that additional bowl step, and that’s it. The bowl isn’t wider. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/24 "2018-08-27T07:11:02Z")
Bimetal 7075 vs 6061? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/3X/f/d/fd8dc630b2837b4c7f0f51e8fb4522207493547f.jpeg) 7075 is **63.9g** , 6061 is **66.5g** ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/25 "2018-08-27T17:15:22Z")
Wow. I dig that wine red color! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/26 "2018-08-28T07:49:21Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Horizon Ultra 7068 **64.1g** It’s a long story but I ended up with another Horizon Ultra from a trade, and I also had another one left over from a half swap. This time I removed the axle and bearing because the results were so weird and I wanted to reduce variables: Horizon Ultra (purple) – **61.1g** Horizon Ultra (purple/teal swap) – **61.4g** I think I either need a better more accurate scale… or there’s a lot more variance in metal yo-yos than I realized. I checked the axle and it’s the same size (length) on these two. I weighed the bearing and axle together and that’s 2.6g. For both of them, the same number. Which means the bare weight of the other one must be **61.5g**. Let me try this again. All three, with axle and bearing (2.6g each): Horizon Ultra Splash - 64.0g Horizon Ultra Purple - 64.0g Horizon Ultra Teal/Purple - 63.6g ---
**Author:** ![JWaugh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jwaugh/32/42366_2.png) [@JWaugh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JWaugh)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/28 "2018-11-13T03:10:03Z")
Firrox/Hidra family is a very large set of yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![MkQuarky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkquarky/32/42778_2.png) [@MkQuarky](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MkQuarky)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/29 "2018-11-24T00:28:47Z")
isnt the yyf edge/wedge a plastic/bimetal set? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/30 "2018-11-24T00:33:16Z")
Not really. They are shaped quite differently. The only thing they have in common is the player who endorses them. In fact, all of the yoyos in the “Edge” line are pretty different from each other, and not really representative of an attempt to bring a single design aesthetic to three different material formats. ---
**Author:** ![MkQuarky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkquarky/32/42778_2.png) [@MkQuarky](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MkQuarky)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/31 "2018-11-24T00:38:17Z")
i thought they were the same shape. well thanks for telling me that ---
**Author:** ![shatterFX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shatterfx/32/66476_2.png) [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/33 "2018-11-24T17:20:26Z")
When comparing the Banshees available for preorder yesterday, the 7075 was 2.2g heavier than the 6061, and all other dimensions are identical. Agreed, I would say the closest would be the wedge and kedge, but even those two are a bit different from each other. Think the only thing they really share is a naming scheme ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/36 "2019-01-01T05:16:15Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > I think I either need a better more accurate scale Hah! I have a more accurate scale now, $10 on Amazon. It shows both tenths and hundredths positions (that is, `0.00`). It says “accuracy ±0.01g” which jibes with m readings. For this random Abduction I just got: - short axle, 0.42g - bearing, 1.97g - half #1, 32.62g - half #2, 32.66g It’s YOYO SCIENCE PEOPLE 👨‍🔬 Aha the vendor replied in the amazon comments “the minimum weight is about 0.05g, error range ±0.03g.” ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/37 "2019-01-01T10:57:34Z")
Re-weighing these with my more accurate scale. All measured with axle and bearing, no string. > [@codinghorror](#): > > Horizon Ultra 7075 (Splash) - **64.0g** 64.00g > [@codinghorror](#): > > Horizon 6061 is **66.6g** 66.43g Horizon 7075 is 2.4 grams _lighter_ 🎈 > [@codinghorror](#): > > Wulfgang 6061 is **66.5g** 66.35g > [@codinghorror](#): > > Wulfgang 7075 is **63.9g** 63.70g Wulfgang 7075 is 2.6 grams _lighter_ 🎈 > [@codinghorror](#): > > Skyva 7075 is **66.7g**. 66.65g > [@codinghorror](#): > > Skyva 6061 is **65.1g** 65.00g Skyva 7075 is 1.6 grams _heavier_ 🏋️‍♂️ > [@codinghorror](#): > > Aceyo Gravitation 7075 is **65.2g** WITH BEARING, 66.85g > [@codinghorror](#): > > Aceyo Gravitation 6061 is **64.7g** WITH BEARING, 66.42g Gravitation 7075 is 0.43 grams _heavier_ 🏋️‍♂️ > CLYW 6061 Scout 65.76g > CLYW 7075 Advance Scout 66.97g Let me try one more, this is a new one. Scout 7075 is 1.21g _heavier_ 🏋️‍♂️ Results are … indeterminate. Two were lighter (by more than 2g), and three were heavier, but not by as much (1.6g max). (The data is a whoooooole lot better with a scale accurate to ±0.03g versus ±1g!) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/38 "2019-01-01T11:03:08Z")
Unfortunately I don’t have any AL7 G2 stuff (with the exception of an elite, but I am worried different ring material will color my results) but I know you’ve released a bunch of AL7 versions of your core models, right @G2_Jake? Looking at 2016 Hawk vs. AL7 2016 Hawk: | | 6061 | 7075 | | --- | --- | --- | | Diameter | 54.0mm | 54.0mm | | Width | 41.3mm | 41.3mm | | Weight | 62.2g | 64.7g | That is a 2.5g difference. Factor in the recent 2018 Banshees: > [@shatterFX](#): > > When comparing the Banshees available for preorder yesterday, the 7075 was 2.2g heavier than the 6061, and all other dimensions are identical. This says to me that re-casting a yo-yo in 7075 vs 6061, assuming all other specs are identical, _should_ make it 2.0g ~ 2.5g 🏋️‍♂️ heavier? And I guess that weight difference would increase as the yo-yo gets larger? @G2_Jake Did you have any comments as to the difference in **weight** and **feel** between the 6061 and 7075 version of the _exact same yo-yos?_ ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/39 "2019-01-01T20:17:57Z")
The ND/Horizon Ultra definitely were designed with thinner walls to reduce the overall weight, compared to their 6061 counterparts. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/40 "2019-01-01T22:35:17Z")
Replay Pro metal and Replay Pro plastic. These are rather different. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/7/a/a7afd22cd2b6596f98720f1f82803283c57e0f69.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/4/1/9418764f210af339268286b27fa4e0feade90492.jpeg) 65.0g metal, 68.0g plastic ---
**Author:** ![shatterFX](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shatterfx/32/66476_2.png) [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/41 "2019-01-01T22:49:24Z")
Man I want one of those. Replay Pro is my goto plastic, only makes sense to have a metal one too. I saw one up for sale a while back on Facebook but the guy wouldn’t send me any pictures so I got a little sketched ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/42 "2019-01-01T22:53:26Z")
The metal one is kinda ugly and doesn’t look like a great yoyo imo 😅 ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/43 "2019-01-01T22:54:41Z")
A metal Replay Pro? I didn’t know such a thing existed. I presume they are no longer made? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/44 "2019-01-01T22:55:04Z")
It’s kind of like the Shu-Ta 2, it’s some special run they did that went out really limited somehow. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/45 "2019-01-01T22:59:18Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > This says to me that re-casting a yo-yo in 7075 vs 6061, assuming all other specs are identical, _should_ make it 2.0g ~ 2.5g 🏋️‍♂️ heavier? And I guess that weight difference would increase as the yo-yo gets larger? I noticed the 7075 Skyva does say it should be heavier, so I am thinking this is the general rule: > The 7075 Metal Skyva shares the same shape and design as the 6061 counterpart, but because of the unique density of 7075 it weighs a solid 67 grams, which is a few more than the 6065 version. A more powerful spin was the focus with this model, and that’s exactly how it feels in play - Powerful! ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867/46 "2019-01-02T13:10:24Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > It’s kind of like the Shu-Ta 2, it’s some special run they did that went out really limited somehow. It was a mystery box yo-yo a few years back. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-same-yo-yo-in-plastic-metal-and-bimetal/291867.md?page=3)