# The influence of the One Drop Cascade (a deep dive)

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1. 1 to 1: July 2019  
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- No Official Quote
- Organic- Yes/No/Maybe stretched O crossed with a flattened V?
- false rim/middle weight bump- Yes
- Wide /Diameter Ratio =100%
  - Width: 53 mm
  - Diameter: 53 mmf

1. Rev: November 2019

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- “The design itself is based on a Top Deck so you’ll notice it has a similar profile shape, but don’t be fooled, the weight distribution and cup are changed radically and it plays like a totally different beast.” -One Drop
- Organic- Yes
- false rim/middle weight bump- No
- Wide /Diameter Ratio =79.07%
  - Width: 44.6 mm
  - Diameter: 56.4 mm

1. Silhouette: March 2020

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- Quote? No
- Organic? No, W shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? Barely
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 72.31%
  - Width: 41.5 mm
  - Diameter: 56.7 mm

1. Halifax: July 2020  
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- Quote nope
- Organic? No, H Shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? yep
- Wide /Diameter Ratio =76.58%
  - Width: 39.9 mm
  - Diameter: 52.1 mm

1. Free Solo: December 2020  
[**![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/a/e/2ae5f33f154a848641a5f3306f380c0fd1592304.png)**

- No Quote [(actually this is in yoyoexpert, but I won’t add it due to unknown origin)](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/free-solo-by-one-drop/365282)
- Organic? Nah, W shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? Yes
- Wide /Diameter Ratio =82.73%
  - Width: 46.0 mm
  - Diameter: 55.6 mm

1. Thorn: August 2022

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- Quote? Nope
- Organic? Nope V shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? Seems like it
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 74.95%
  - Width: 42.55 mm
  - Diameter: 56.77 mm

1. Wyvern: December 2022  
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- “The Wyvern as a whole is an amalgamation of yo-yos, games, and art that I hold near and dear to me. This yoyo takes inspiration from some of my all time favorite onedrops: the OG Project, the Summit, and the Sugar Glider.” -One Drop/Andrew Daugherty
- Organic? No v/w shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? Slight/ not really, it’s practically in the rim
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 82.31%
  - Width: 46.00 mm
  - Diameter: 55.88 mm

1. Booster Wyvern: October 2024

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- No Quote
- Organic? No. V/W shaped
- false rim/middle weight bump? Slight/ not really, it’s practically in the rim.
  - Wide /Diameter Ratio = 82.31%
    - Width: 46.00 mm
    - Diameter: 55.88 mm

1. Perspective: July 2024

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- No Quote
- Organic? Yes/No, both? O/W shaped.
- false rim/middle weight bump? Slight? Not sure. Maybe not.
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 78.00%
  - Width: 42.9 mm
  - Diameter: 55 mm

1. Rainier: December 2024 ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/5/e/95e4e382d8ecd563aa34f4875953f8c76ce70d8f.jpeg)

- This yo-yo started as a simple idea: What if we took a Cascade, scaled it up and shifted all the weight to the rims? … we scaled up the diameter to 56.4mm and the width scaled up to 48.4mm in keeping the same proportions as the Cascade…" - One Drop
- Organic? Yes
- false rim/middle weight bump? No
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 85.81%
  - Width: 48.4 mm
  - Diameter: 56.4 mm

1. Boosted Rainier: May 2025 ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/a/2/ea2247f99f7f929056f05fa99c9b4ffd2b0d6f75.png)

- “The Rainier started with the idea of scaling up a Cascade…” -One Drop
- Organic? Yes
- false rim/middle weight bump? No
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 85.81%
  - Width: 48.4 mm
  - Diameter: 56.4 mm

1. Markmont Blunderbuss: June 2025

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- “..We originally incorporated the Cascade yoyo “bump” in the halves cup area, to add mid-weight for improved spin time and stability… like the true to form artisan he is, Shawn whipped up another 3 prototypes with the most saucy and original cup “wave” I’ve seen 😮‍💨” - Mark Mont
- Organic? Yes, O/V
- false rim/middle weight bump? Slight, only known of due to MM’s post
- Wide /Diameter Ratio = 84.46%
  - Width: 47.3 mm
  - Diameter: 56 mm

**Observations from the Cascade Super Comparison:**

- Objective (Observable truth, best evidence):

- Subjective (Opinions, weakest evidence):

- false rim/middle weight bump inside (obvious mid rim weight?)

- Wideish

**Spreadsheet of Above Data:**

[Condensed Data](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E_NIBYDlEMXqFZ81qH3HwlNfv0O3Z2e3U6yg54CewCs/edit?usp=sharing)

**Conclusion:**

- 8 are explicitly influenced by the Cascade due to the quotes in the yoyo description
- The best subjective influence, in my opinion, is the false rim/middle weight bump, which 21/24 have this feature. The 3 that don’t are the Rainier, the Boosted Rainier, and the Rev. However, both Rainiers explicitly say they are from the Cascade.
- Of the ones that don’t explicitly say they were influenced, 4 (to me) look Cascade-ish be being organic, wide, and having the midweight step
- The last 12 outside of the 1 and 3rd bullet point above have very little evidence (only 1-2 subjective points) that keep me from concluding they are heavily influenced by the Cascade.

Yoyos that might be similar still, but slipped my mind: 2016 Benchmarks(V, H, W), T1 20/20, and the Rev2. All 4 the yoyos have connections to other yoyos in here, so they might have some small similarities also with the Cascade.

**Finally, I think I need to say that in no way am I saying that these yoyos play the same. The more I read about designing yoyos and weight distribution, the more I know that it’s pretty hard to determine how yoyos feel in comparison to each other. I know so little about this, these are just speculations of a layperson who knows a handful of yoyo tricks and looks at pictures of yoyos.**

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