# the black night or the speeder yoyo

**URL:** <https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836>\
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\
**Created:** [September 24, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836 "2009-09-24T18:46:12Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![newmanator98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f4b2a3/32.png) [@newmanator98](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/newmanator98)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836/1 "2009-09-24T18:46:12Z")

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i am a intermidite 1a who likes wide gaps and long sleeps withch one should i get

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**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836/2 "2009-09-24T23:24:25Z")

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Please don’t make more then 1 thread. It really isn’t necessary.

Both will work for you. Just decide based on shape - Do you want an angular shape, or a round one?

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**Author:** ![Ewski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Ewski](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ewski)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836/3 "2009-09-25T00:46:21Z")

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I have a Black Knight and I love it. It is one of my all-time favorite Yoyojams. The Speeder is one of the few modern Yoyojams that I have not tried and really have no desire to try. The shape is just completely wrong for me. I hear that most of them tend to vibe and crack easily. That is just my 2 cents.

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**Author:** ![buck\_choy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/buck_choy/32/302_2.png) [@buck\_choy](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/buck_choy)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836/4 "2009-09-25T03:14:37Z")

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I have tried them both and I like the black knight the best. I find it has better sleepers, more comfortable shape. and the speeder’s can come responsive, black knight’s are completely unresponsive.

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**Author:** ![yoyoandrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/45deac/32.png) [@yoyoandrew](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoandrew)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-black-night-or-the-speeder-yoyo/6836/5 "2009-09-25T20:22:42Z")

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speeder