# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Shwa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shwa/32/108351_2.png) [@Shwa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shwa)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1575 "2023-03-01T14:49:15Z")
I can’t seem to grasp loops and shoot the moon yet! I definitely made some good progress last month spending so much time in fixed axle mode but both tricks still seem to elude me. Can’t wait till it clicks!! ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1576 "2023-03-01T16:25:04Z")
What’s your string length? Go short until it becomes easy, get the mussel memory, then you can add length to the stings. I’m 6’ 1" and my looping strings are 76cm, don’t be afraid to go short. ---
**Author:** ![Shwa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shwa/32/108351_2.png) [@Shwa](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shwa)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1577 "2023-03-01T16:27:13Z")
Will do. I shortened it up some, but may be a little more will do. I can get two or three loops, but that’s about it. At this point I figure I’ll get the loops down and then step in to shoot the moon! ---
**Author:** ![adamantiumpops](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/adamantiumpops/32/198285_2.png) [@adamantiumpops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/adamantiumpops)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1578 "2023-03-01T16:37:23Z")
I was in the same boat. Made it a point to get three STMs for FAF, but I’ll likely abandon it again lol. @Exmime advice on shorter string is what did it for me eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1579 "2023-03-01T16:37:36Z")
what helped me with looping was measuring the string from middle finger to about the center of my chest with a duncan butterfly yoyo… wingspan, not bellybutton to the floor… that’s when it started to click for me. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1580 "2023-03-01T21:35:27Z")
Having the right throw for looping makes a big difference too. Prefer Imperial shapes that are easier to flip over every time you loop. ---
**Author:** ![vinniekowalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vinniekowalski/32/192899_2.png) [@vinniekowalski](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vinniekowalski)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1581 "2023-03-02T00:05:40Z")
Hang in there — it will eventually click! That’s how it was with me and STMs. Also I remember reading on Valerie Oliver’s Science of Spin website (unfortunately no longer available online) that you have to sort of feel it come down and around as you flip it with your wrist. One of the more interesting things I have noticed as an older dude who’s been through a few yoyo booms is how newer players have trouble with loops while I am still struggling to learn 1A stuff after growing up on fixies only 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1582 "2023-03-06T15:16:54Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/f/7/6f7e130f67ab4e7e051d70a4073fa75c160d449f.jpeg) Busting out my bearing Butterflies today. ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1583 "2023-03-06T15:20:47Z")
How do those Duncan AL’s play for 0A? Do you notice an advantage to the A sized bearing over the C? ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1584 "2023-03-06T15:30:27Z")
They play a little heavy and are both very different. The C bearing has a noticeable and heavy thunk when it hits the end of the string. The A bearing is much smoother and floatier. Both manage 0A just fine and tug respond reliably. Of the three, I prefer the XT for 0A :joy:, but the other two are capable and can also handle some light 1A (whereas the XT struggles). The ALs are notably less vibey than the XT, which can be a bit… ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1585 "2023-03-06T15:43:09Z")
I love how the older Butterfly AL’s looked, before they started using the more retro or psychedelic graphic on them. If you ignored the profile they looked liked a souped up version of my first yoyo. That being said, the weight and thud you mentioned was always a little concern of mine. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1586 "2023-03-12T22:17:23Z")
Can anyone explain to me why Duncan has two different body structures for their Imperials? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/b/9/1b9887677d00a9e3bd6c77d3210bdc4997c28e85.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1587 "2023-03-13T14:28:32Z")
I’ve never had an old opaque plastic imperial to disassemble. That red one is cool. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1588 "2023-03-13T15:43:24Z")
They are both Neo Imperials. And they sort of disassembled themselves, slowly, during play. I also have two Glow Imperials from the same era (1994) that came in identical Duncan packaging, yet one has the normal body and the other has the “sliced pie” structure like the orange Neo. Does anyone know the history of this strange Imperial body structure? Why do/did yoyos of the same product code, from the same era, have different structures like this? ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1589 "2023-03-13T15:50:32Z")
that era these things basically needed to be glued together after you open the package… they fall apart within a few throws in my experience. have never seen that inner structure but it would add weight distribution for looping imo. i do know that some are manufactured in different countries like 80’s butterflies some are made in mexico and have different foil logo stating it. so it could be related to that… different mold in that region maybe… ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1590 "2023-04-05T19:20:34Z")
Just got a couple wood fixed axle yo-yos and I have a question— Is there anything I should do to set these up initially? I vaguely recall hearing something about beeswax. I dug through the forum graveyard a little bit but didn’t see anything. Any knowledge or links will be appreciated. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1591 "2023-04-05T21:11:33Z")
i recommend just start playing with it, if you are really picky about the string burning in centered on the axle, you can try to kinda rub a trench in the axle with say a coat hanger so the string stays centered while braking in fully. it may have negative consequences according to some but its worked for me so far. ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1592 "2023-04-05T21:34:13Z")
What does it mean to have the string burning in the center? Like, I don’t know what a string burning in is so I’m definitely not picky lol. Forgive my ignorance. It’s two of the yyf legends, one winged one regular. The regular one is cool and works as expected but the winged one keeps like not winding right like I’ll think it wound up well, but then it will have a snag and not unwind right. I hear the wood is like unfinished in there and I think that’s what’s messing with the wind but I don’t know so I thought I’d ask. I’m gonna go throw it for a while and see if that one smooths itself out. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1593 "2023-04-05T21:42:14Z")
sorry, so the wood is hard, but not incredibly hard like steel typically. your fingernail can dent it. well when you have a cotton string and throw a lot of hard sleepers, friction rubs the axle where the string is seated so it wears the wood down in that spot. I call it burning in because enough repeated high spin throws can create enough friction to cause smoking…you can literally smell burning wood. sometimes not setting up the trench on a new axle can cause the string to burn in close to one half of the yoyo from just throwing it. it digs in slightly over time the more you use it. I find this annoying because the performance is less consistent, string rubs that side more often, etc… a new legend wing does not have very smooth walls usually, it will wear in over a long time just playing and replacing strings, but you could use just a little sanding to smooth it out a little faster. just be careful to do it evenly and just a little. also, use string torsion to get more response if needed. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1595 "2023-04-06T00:01:49Z")
The Legend and Legend Wing shouldn’t need much to set up, just cotton string and go. Pro tip is if they are too unresponsive with fresh strings, crank up the torsion on the string until it plays responsive and play it like that for a few minutes to get the string broken in more quickly. After that you can go back to neutral torsion for kickflips and such. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=78) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=80)