# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1089 "2021-05-24T21:05:04Z")
Does anyone know if there are any good POM fixed axle yoyos out there? I know there is the Gates Hubbard, but is that one good? ---
**Author:** ![aironish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aironish/32/92327_2.png) [@aironish](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/aironish)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1090 "2021-05-24T21:08:58Z")
Square wheels missing link maybe? I don’t know what it was for sure, but it was white plastic of some kind 😆 don’t think it ever got released, but my memory is less than reliable so who knows. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1091 "2021-05-24T21:10:27Z")
Yeah, I know of the Missing Link. It was meant to be a signature for Kyle Nations but was never released. It wasn’t a good yoyo but it was interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1092 "2021-05-24T23:04:34Z")
I had a chance to try the Hubbard at the “Yoyo Meetup” (quotations because it was only one friend and myself). Unfortunately, I never picked that one up. I’m not sure if he’s on here, but I ask him what he thinks… ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1093 "2021-05-24T23:17:29Z")
Hildy had the Emmett. The Missing Link was cool, it just performed more like a responsive bearing yoyo than a fixed axle. But they were primarily acrylic, I had a delrin version, but was told it was more rare. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_Newlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eric_newlin/32/598950_2.png) [@Eric\_Newlin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Eric_Newlin)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1094 "2021-05-28T21:32:28Z")
A relative found this at a thrift store and gave it to me. It plays great for modern responsive. Anyone know anything about this yoyo? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/e/f/fef82de587ee0f587e268a70164c0e5ba2f21ce5.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/f/a/dfa3604e298dfbcd96041041f4b92371016087ea.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/b/9/9/b996fa30720246327b1fedfb41e846a15175f703.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1095 "2021-05-28T21:37:59Z")
The Dragon Fly, from memory, was a rebranded ProYo/Playmaxx Bumble Bee. I can’t remember all the details why they had to rebrand it. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1096 "2021-05-28T22:32:40Z")
Duncan bought Playmaxx, and this may have been the lone brakepad yoyo to come of that? I remember writing a ridiculous post on Dave’s about Duncan doing away with most/all brakepad designs. I don’t know how @unklesteve didn’t lose his mind at the time! I even remember the title, “Marketing Magic”. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1097 "2021-05-29T00:14:35Z")
Do you remember why they didn’t keep the Bumble Bee name at first? I remember them buying Playmaxx, and they eventually did rerelease the Bumble Bee. Was the Dragonfly first, then they did it as the Bumble Bee, or am I just getting old and forgetting things? :joy: ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1098 "2021-05-29T00:42:06Z")
I don’t remember either! I think I have a Dragonfly still in the package somewhere. I didn’t even know or remember it had brakepads. I just bought it, and never opened it for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_Newlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eric_newlin/32/598950_2.png) [@Eric\_Newlin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Eric_Newlin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1099 "2021-05-29T00:48:59Z")
Worth giving it a throw. I was so pleasantly surprised! ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1100 "2021-05-29T02:07:19Z")
They kept Bumblebee as well (and dropped the turbo in the name). Dragonfly was to differentiate the GT version. They were both available from Duncan at the same time. 🙂 (There was also the Duncan ProFire at the same time, which was the same name as the Playmaxx version - just a brass transaxle BumbleBee - and much later the Ignite which was a BumbleBee w a wooden technic axle.) ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1101 "2021-05-29T03:11:07Z")
Yes! Thanks Ed! Knew someone would remember. I had a bunch of the Playmaxx Bumblenee’s and GT’s. So I didn’t pay attention to when Duncan bought the company. I still remember getting my first Bumblebee GT. Had been playing a Tornado and Bumblebee for awhile before that. The extra “gap” on the GT was huge!!! My friends and I couldn’t believe how easy tricks were with it 🤣 OG’s ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/4/c/34cadaa8baeb163bae43243274bffb0c3a65c0c6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![FireMind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firemind/32/122767_2.png) [@FireMind](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FireMind)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1102 "2021-06-01T22:05:11Z")
![20210601_164306](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/4/e/44efe53e4206a20857883f7a8fdfa59628a3dd1e.jpeg) ![20210601_164345](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/a/2/da262ff89398c48d4fa063dfc515f66597f491c3.jpeg) Excited to add a beautiful oak Freemont to my TMBR collection ---
**Author:** ![Big](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/big/32/81788_2.png) [@Big](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Big)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1103 "2021-06-01T22:17:13Z")
Mine came in the mail today. Can’t wait to get off work and see how it plays. ---
**Author:** ![FireMind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firemind/32/122767_2.png) [@FireMind](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FireMind)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1104 "2021-06-01T22:36:14Z")
These new axles Colin designed are fantastic you won’t be disappointed ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1105 "2021-06-02T03:28:36Z")
Where is there info about the new axles? ---
**Author:** ![FireMind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firemind/32/122767_2.png) [@FireMind](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FireMind)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1106 "2021-06-03T22:05:29Z")
Most of the info I followed came casually from Colins post off the TMBR Instagram as he went through his process of designing them. As far as I know these are the standard axle he will include on all models going forward. The change in shape he said is very subtle kinda a soft V instead of the straight H you might think of with a standard axle but the increase in overall response performance is noticeable ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1107 "2021-06-03T22:10:43Z")
I can see how this could work. It shifts the response more towards axle dependency rather than wall dependency. It also brings it closer to the loop which is the most effective place for immediate response. ---
**Author:** ![FireMind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/firemind/32/122767_2.png) [@FireMind](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FireMind)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/1108 "2021-06-03T22:28:58Z")
Here’s a couple more closeups if yall were curious. Also love the grooves he added ![20210601_173758](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/a/f/4af531c8827e6af2be832a5c9387199c305ba3a0.jpeg) ![20210601_173938](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/5/8/058da4c7d331550d859da79795a6a67ae2574b3f.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=54) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=56)