# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Sinister\_Yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sinister_yoyos/32/114006_2.png) [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/966 "2021-01-22T22:30:50Z")
Thanks a ton! I’m sure I’ll get it sorted soon. ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/967 "2021-01-22T22:36:55Z")
Had to pull mine out to give it a few throws. These two are such different beasts it’s hard to imagine they’re related lol! My 12 still plays great though. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/c/c/cccc48536013b4d219e53163ca3e06808b81f0c4.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/e/c/7ec31196c7f3e856c475298a2ab057add29acdb0.jpeg) (We had some times lol.) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/968 "2021-01-22T22:53:30Z")
Just love the look of that beat up 2012 eh. ---
**Author:** ![Sinister\_Yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sinister_yoyos/32/114006_2.png) [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/969 "2021-01-23T01:03:49Z")
I double wrapped the string around the axle and now it’s a lot snappier, while still sleeping well enough for my liking. ---
**Author:** ![Sinister\_Yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sinister_yoyos/32/114006_2.png) [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/970 "2021-01-23T18:39:36Z")
Here’s a couple pics of my TMBR family. For identification purposes, here are the model names in the top picture. 1st Row: Carlson CS, This A Way/That A Way, Turner 2nd Row: Irving 2019, Morrow, Fremont 2020 3rd Row: eH 2012, eH 2014, PockeHt ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/b/d/7/bd7c75da798236dd1b4ef71996810ff2ec2c642e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/b/1/eb11aec34acc12244fa34c9d5d19122008144741.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/971 "2021-01-23T18:53:14Z")
> [@Sinister\_Yoyos](#): > > I double wrapped the string around the axle and now it’s a lot snappier, while still sleeping well enough for my liking. Did you try a little bit of Chapstick on the string axle loop? I know not everybody likes to use that, and if you don’t, you could continue to not use it on the others, but I’ve found it really helps on wood Fixies that aren’t responding well. Personally, I use it on all of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Sinister\_Yoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sinister_yoyos/32/114006_2.png) [@Sinister\_Yoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sinister_Yoyos)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/972 "2021-01-23T18:56:40Z")
I never thought of doing that. Thanks for the tip! I’ll give that a shot. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/973 "2021-01-23T18:59:13Z")
Yeah, just open the loop of a new string, and rub a little bit of wax on it where it will come in contact with the axle. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/974 "2021-01-24T04:55:00Z")
I use either a “dead” duncan friction sticker (scrape it down to the linen) or Tom Kuhn turbo discs on my original eH’s. Still gives it a ton of spin, but enough friction to come back with a tug. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/975 "2021-01-24T05:18:06Z")
Oh yeah, it’s a take-apart! ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/976 "2021-01-24T11:45:37Z")
An easy but satisfying trick. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/4/f/a4f7ee7d670cfa8aa5337020a7c53c122d5c6752.jpeg "Bounce and a Half Trapeze Stall (SlowMo)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CeyeHE2LZw) ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/977 "2021-01-24T13:33:34Z")
🤩Lovely TMBRs! ---
**Author:** ![Canspin65](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/canspin65/32/258222_2.png) [@Canspin65](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Canspin65)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/978 "2021-01-24T19:43:35Z")
![IMG_20210124_143906](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/c/e/5ce8cf1389d8a0efb3a179820ef48bb3d08bc808.jpeg) I made this plywood throw for my wife last night. I am stoked that she has show an interest. My daughter is already into yoyos, so this is good news😁. As in… easier to get away with more yoyo purchases. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/979 "2021-01-29T17:36:47Z")
@TheThrowingGnome another reason why the [Moonshine V1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/favorite-metal-modern-responsives/332448/13) is at the top of my responsive list, it also has an awesome Basecamp promo vid and take on what responsive play can be; [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PViCqo0Ek2Q) ---
**Author:** ![fount](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fount/32/113186_2.png) [@fount](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fount)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/980 "2021-01-29T18:03:33Z")
Question for all you This-A-Way That-A-Way owners… I just got one (ordered one of the last Ash ones YYE had). I don’t know how to describe this exactly, but it loops/regens “loosely”. As in, if I do a basic frontstyle planet hop on from outside my body looping toward my body, the yoyo wants to hit my torso. Same for trying STMs – on the regen the yoyo goes nearly horizontal behind me instead of regenning at an upward angle. I figure this is because the That-A-Way configuration doesn’t have that high of a wall and the gap widens quickly. So, the string unwinds really quick on a throw. Is my experience normative with this model? Is there a way to get a “tighter” feel? ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/981 "2021-01-29T18:13:42Z")
That’s a function of string length and gap width. If a yo-yo is looping UP (or going in front of your body on shoot the moon) it means your string is too short and/or the gap is too wide - you can fix it in either of those ways. If a yo-yo is looping down (or going behind you on shoot the moon) it means the string is too long and/or the gap is too narrow. Not saying for sure that you can fix your issue by opening your gap and shortening string, but that’s certainly what it sounds like. ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/982 "2021-01-29T18:16:04Z")
On your recommendation, I purchased a V1 moonshine off the BST from @aironish this morning!!! ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/983 "2021-01-29T18:18:41Z")
This helps so much Ed. I assumed the difference in the shoot the moon I was getting on different throws was a timing and weight thing. Never occurred to me the string length was the main factor of controlling this! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/984 "2021-01-29T18:21:21Z")
Sure thing. Someone really experienced with moons and hops can still make it work if it’s looping down (back) but it makes it MUCH easier if the gap and string are working together. The gap only has so much width for the string to coil which accelerates it back or lets it wind more gradually up. ---
**Author:** ![fount](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fount/32/113186_2.png) [@fount](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fount)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/985 "2021-01-29T20:36:04Z")
Thanks for those tips, Ed! I tried shortening the string and closing the gap, independently & together. Unfortunately, I didn’t see much of a change in the looping/regen of the yoyo. I don’t see that the TMBR woodthread system allows for much in the way of legitimate gap adjustment, and am again falling back to my thought that my This-A-Way That-A-Way in the butterfly config has too aggressive of a V / too low of walls for the string to coil just right. My hesitation asserting this is that I thought this yoyo was liked in the 0a community. It doesn’t seem to match up to me that I would have such a hard time getting it to react correctly on loops/regens. Certainly the common thread with having problems here is me being the thrower. I’d love to know more thoughts or experiences with the This-A-Way That-A-Way – from you, Ed, or anyone bothering to read my long-ish posts. 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=48) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=50)