# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive)
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/362 "2019-11-10T21:27:54Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> Every serious yo-yo player should own a TK No Jive IMNSHO.
I don’t and probably never will. Since making fixed axles, I find I just don’t buy them any more. I could trade for one I guess.
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/363 "2019-11-10T23:03:14Z")
In my dream world, yoyofactory or yoyoexpert buys the Tom Kuhn brand and resumes production of the No Jive, maybe introduces an updated slightly modernized SB-2. Perhaps reduces prices a bit based on higher volume if possible.
I thought about doing this myself, I have the resources to do it, but I am not sure I want to _own_ a yo-yo company, just shipping one release (the Vayder) was satisfying enough for me.
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### Author:  [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/364 "2019-11-10T23:19:51Z")
I fully respect your position on not wanting to own a yoyo company. However, before I read your last sentence, my thought was “with the experience from the Ti-Vayder, Codinghorror should do it”
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### Author:  [@adamantiumpops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/adamantiumpops)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/365 "2019-11-10T23:51:57Z")
If there’s anyone who doesn’t actually run a company I would trust, it’s you. You’ve proven it. However I can understand it’s likely not the kind of stress one would take on willingly if they didn’t have to.
Maybe you can collab on the release as a consultant/financier rather than an actual owner. Less stress.
Or as I shot off in the Vayder thread, FINAL releases of the No Jive and SB2 for charity. The warming of your heart and soul may offset the stress.
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/366 "2019-11-10T23:52:28Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> I would mail it to you for free but the postage to your locale is like $12+ unfortunately.
If you’re having trouble affording this, perhaps owning Tom Kuhn is a little out of your reach @codinghorror. :joy:
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### Author:  [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/367 "2019-11-10T23:55:32Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> I thought about doing this myself, I have the resources to do it,
I can’t imagine someone who hates flat bearings would ever want to own Tom Kuhn!!!
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 10, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/368 "2019-11-10T23:57:43Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> In my dream world, yoyofactory or yoyoexpert buys the Tom Kuhn brand and resumes production of the No Jive, maybe introduces an updated slightly modernized SB-2.
Is owning a company worth 2 releases that probably wouldn’t do all that well in a flooded market? Perhaps just making spiritual successors of these models is good enough.
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### Author:  [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/369 "2019-11-11T01:40:22Z")
TK is still slinging SB2s in 2019
[https://www.instagram.com/p/B3PVWApBbfv/?igshid=ymagj3stie1w](https://www.instagram.com/p/B3PVWApBbfv/?igshid=ymagj3stie1w)
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/370 "2019-11-11T01:55:21Z")
> [@Exmime](#):
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> TK is still slinging SB2s
More like liquidating.
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### Author:  [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/371 "2019-11-11T02:26:44Z")
> [@anon5341354](#):
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> More like liquidating.
I’ve heard they are just upcycled from the late 90s boom blanks
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/372 "2019-11-11T10:38:09Z")
> [@TheThrowingGnome](#):
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> I can’t imagine someone who hates flat bearings would ever want to own Tom Kuhn!!!
Should there be concave fixed axle yo-yos? :thinking:
# Y E S
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### Author:  [@adamantiumpops](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/adamantiumpops)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/373 "2019-11-11T13:03:38Z")
> [@codinghorror](#):
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> concave fixed axle yo-yos?
[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnlightenedOblongAustraliansilkyterrier-mobile.mp4](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnlightenedOblongAustraliansilkyterrier-mobile.mp4)
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/374 "2019-11-11T20:00:03Z")
The YYF Legend has a concave axle.
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### Author:  [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/375 "2019-11-11T21:22:17Z")
really? I had no idea. Maybe I should have paid more attention to my legend wing before I lost it.
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/376 "2019-11-11T21:23:53Z")
Not the Legend Wing, the Legend has a concave axle.
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### Author:  [@French](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/French)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/377 "2019-11-11T21:25:47Z")
Thank you. I do have a Legend. I learn something every day, unless I am very careful. I wasn’t careful enough when I checked this thread. 🙂
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### Author:  [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)
#### Post date: [November 11, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/378 "2019-11-11T22:06:49Z")
So… if you play it long and hard enough every wood axle is a kk. :wink:
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### Author:  [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)
#### Post date: [November 12, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/379 "2019-11-12T07:06:36Z")
You’re ding-dang right, Ed, because concave is the natural form for all bearings! That’s the way mother nature wants it!
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### Author:  [@Alex](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Alex)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/380 "2019-11-14T04:44:25Z")
Thanks for the recommendation to get one! I just picked up a No Jive and I’m really excited to start getting into fixed axle! 😄
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### Author:  [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)
#### Post date: [November 14, 2019, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/381 "2019-11-14T04:50:47Z")
But be aware you might need to tinker with your No Jive to get it to respond consistently. That’s one thing that was not mentioned here.
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