# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![Yodaddyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yodaddyo/32/602050_2.png) [@Yodaddyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yodaddyo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2882 "2025-02-17T15:37:13Z")
Flying Lemon v1 is now a dedicated fixed axle yoyo šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜ [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/1/e/71e31f65a680ff0a0cfa530c77a2638f7b7dc6ba.jpeg "Fixed axle Flying Lemon") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqUXr8m3pOA) ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2883 "2025-02-17T15:40:44Z")
Planning on buying a production one when itā€™s available so I gotta know how you fixied it? Did my blank fit or did you have to mod it? ---
**Author:** ![Yodaddyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yodaddyo/32/602050_2.png) [@Yodaddyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yodaddyo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2884 "2025-02-17T16:08:44Z")
Itā€™s your blank! Iā€™ve noticed they donā€™t sit exactly flush on the bearing seat, but as long as youā€™re careful screwing it together, it works perfectly! Just need a shorter axle. ---
**Author:** ![Terrarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/terrarian/32/606075_2.png) [@Terrarian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Terrarian)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2885 "2025-02-17T21:57:36Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/2/d/7/2d74bcfff794b2466a535a2c7ec2471b560f0126.jpeg "EGYPTIAN ROLLERCOASTER Yoyo Trick | Fixed Axle 0A") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BH97JyFoaU) Okay, I recorded like 4 more vids todayā€“I donā€™t want to give away my whole hand hereā€“but hereā€™s Egyptian Rollercoaster! My version of an old favorite, McBride rollercoaster. This time using my new Ardeus Stroller yoyo! ---
**Author:** ![ButterflyBrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/butterflybrian/32/602181_2.png) [@ButterflyBrian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ButterflyBrian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2886 "2025-02-18T03:01:06Z")
Is there any benefit to applying lube to the steel axle of fixed axle yoyo? I am unsure if lubes are solely for bearings or if they have some benefit (or negative effect) on the axle/string interaction. Thanks, ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2887 "2025-02-18T03:04:48Z")
Some people like to use beeswax or bee lip balm to add a little response. I prefer to do this on wood; I donā€™t really like how it doesnā€™t soak into metal or plastic. That said I only really take out the beeswax when a wood throw is truly unresponsive and hasnā€™t been tunable by string thickness, breaking in, or double or triple looping. I would recommend using other means of adjusting response. If itā€™s a Butterfly I recommend trying double looping. I played them this way for a while. Edit: I guess I didnā€™t really answer your question. Some thicker lubes may impact response, but Iā€™d recommend against it. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2888 "2025-02-18T03:09:27Z")
I tune all of my fixed axles that I make with one drop of thick lube applied to the end of the string. I make very thin 4mm stainless axle yo-yos and they will often just kinda spin forever without a response unless you add the lube. ---
**Author:** ![Nic\_from\_Adelaide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nic_from_adelaide/32/272038_2.png) [@Nic\_from\_Adelaide](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Nic_from_Adelaide)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2889 "2025-02-18T11:34:48Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/f/b/3fb82e81289ed3d6dd9fd18853a3857ba5d4465f.jpeg "Reverse Dumptrucks Fixed Axle Yoyo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6h7tmUClvs) ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2890 "2025-02-18T11:56:33Z")
I have never used any lube/wax/goo/etc EXCEPT in the case of really rough wood axles. Back in the day, wax and other stuff would be used to protect axles which were more prone to damage through friction due to their roughness (which obviously ALSO protects the string). Even after the Duncan demonstrator days of the 60s/70s Russell and Proyo axles could be pretty rough and players would use a bit of Vaseline Intensive Care Lip Therapy (or other similar stuff) to ā€œcureā€ them and some companies would sell string with a little dab of red wax. To me, the axles I use (mainly Tom Kuhn, TMBR, and other modern wood) are of hard enough and smooth enough birch/walnut that this is thoroughly unnecessary and results in weird response effects or unpredictability. I donā€™t see any reason to use anything like that on a steel axle, and feel like perceived improvements in play there could be subject to confirmation bias. If anything, introducing one more variable to the string/gap/response/axle equation gives me one more thing to think about - no thanks. Iā€™ve never had any issues with response consistency which couldnā€™t be addressed through my own play or through managing string tension (torsion - god I hate that word, I donā€™t care if itā€™s accurate lol). I guess - how is it you want your steel axles to play, and what are they NOT doing which they would do better using some kind of lubricant? ---
**Author:** ![ButterflyBrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/butterflybrian/32/602181_2.png) [@ButterflyBrian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ButterflyBrian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2891 "2025-02-18T17:00:35Z")
Hey Ed, Thanks for the thorough response. It looks like I am going to pass on lubing for fixed axle. Regarding your question back to meā€¦Iā€™m just a n00b in the yoyo space and have some lubes on the shelf i purchased but havenā€™t used for anything yet as I havenā€™t explored setting up hardware beyond how to change strings. I was solely curious if there was any improvement to be had with lube and if leaving ā€œdryā€ was leaving any performance be it sleep time, response, etc. on the table. It sounds like thatā€™s not the caseā€¦which as you stated is good news. Occamā€™s razor! ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2892 "2025-02-18T17:10:50Z")
Gotcha - yeah big fan of Occam lol! Keep asking qā€™s as 0A peeps are pretty free w their perspectives. Glad youā€™re exploring this weird little niche and hope you find it satisfying! ---
**Author:** ![JosephStromme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/45deac/32.png) [@JosephStromme](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JosephStromme)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2893 "2025-02-21T03:38:17Z")
Hereā€™s something Iā€™ve been doing. Has anyone done this before? > **[Joseph Stromme on Instagram: "Has anyone done this before? #trickcircle...](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGNHyu4RuOU/?igsh=Mm9sZTBvZmtxMWhn)** > > 18 likes, 0 comments - josephstromme on February 17, 2025: "Has anyone done this before? #trickcircle #fixedaxlefebruary ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  #todaysthrow". ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2894 "2025-02-21T04:03:11Z")
Nice man! Itā€™s been done but not with the rhythm/style youā€™re using. Thatā€™s a variation of what gets called Doubke-Plus Regens. Functionally a Planet Hop but obv they feel very different in context and enable you to go right back to the original polarity/direction/mount! The basic one is the 2nd one i show off trapeze stall, but your 1.5 version has way more steez. ---
**Author:** ![JosephStromme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/45deac/32.png) [@JosephStromme](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JosephStromme)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2895 "2025-02-21T04:07:09Z")
Great info and video! Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Yodaddyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yodaddyo/32/602050_2.png) [@Yodaddyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yodaddyo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2896 "2025-02-23T00:01:12Z")
Kwyjibo on the purple heart blood cell [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/7/2/172f095a22c2b4a7d8c41835e86bb4b375109d5f.jpeg "Spinworthy Blood Cell made out of purple heart wood. The first wooden yoyo Iā€™m able to kwyjibo! šŸ˜ƒ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMFkXyhH6u8) ---
**Author:** ![kretzschmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kretzschmar/32/668707_2.png) [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2897 "2025-02-23T02:56:00Z")
Finally getting a feel for the lunar ---
**Author:** ![ButterflyBrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/butterflybrian/32/602181_2.png) [@ButterflyBrian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ButterflyBrian)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2898 "2025-02-23T16:51:34Z")
Whatā€™s the deal with string! Iā€™m throwing lots of old 70s,80s,90s fixed steel axle buterflys during FAF. I am using kitty fat pro line and some generic no name polyester strings that came with my Yoyo beginners pack from [ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– .com](http://YoYoTricks.com). Im also experimenting with cotton. Some times after a few hours of play the strings become either waaaay more responsive (wonā€™t sleep or return nearly immediately if I throw a breakaway) or sometimes even unresponsiveā€¦Iā€™m tugging and watching the 70s butterfly hop up and down but not come back to me. FWIW I am checking and doing sidewinders both sides to manage the tension and ensure itā€™s ā€œneutralā€ when drawing conclusions. What are some good rules of thumb for steel fixed axle throws and strings? Is it normal to change strings every couple hours, days, weeks? Are older fixed axles more sensitive than modern unresponsive or response throws? Iā€™m just baffled. Is often string changing a necessity or a preference? Does it even matter ir is it all psychological? Just hit me with some info please. Iā€™m new and confused but fixed axle friends seem alot more finicky than my more modern throws. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Jerrod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jerrod/32/367145_2.png) [@Jerrod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jerrod)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2899 "2025-02-24T16:33:54Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/b/c/5bc0d9e8bfb89b5f57a137df555fffd3ead1658a.jpeg "Tailspin Slack and Kickflip Tailspin Repeater - Fixed Axle Yoyo Tutorial") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iosSlRLLcU) Tailspin Slack and Kickflip Tailspin Repeater - Fixed Axle Yoyo Tutorial ---
**Author:** ![Pun1sh3R](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pun1sh3r/32/193125_2.png) [@Pun1sh3R](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pun1sh3R)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2900 "2025-02-24T17:38:44Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/a/2/ca2e9414a65df3cbae35cb87c7c8d4b0046c1a94.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2901 "2025-02-24T18:02:57Z")
Lot to unpack here. Older Butteflies are great but the new mold ones are **AMAZING**. I highly recommend finding one. Check here if you need help identifying them: > [@An unofficial guide to identifying the new Duncan Butterflies](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/an-unofficial-guide-to-identifying-the-new-duncan-butterflies/365957): > > Hi all, there has been excitement surrounding the new Duncan Butterflies that are made with the updated mould. I feel this excitement is warranted because the new butterflies are great. They arenā€™t just great for the price, they are actually really great fixed-axle yoyos. I personally was not a fan of the previous Butterfly version, but I really like this new one. These seem to have been rolling out gradually for the past little while, so you may find some in a store near you. I found mine in aā€¦ For string I prefer poly. I use whatever poly I have on hand. Right now itā€™s OTS Normal, in the past itā€™s been Kitty Fat, Kitty Normal, and Alphaline. I do not find that I need to change the string after a few hours of play usually. I also play 2A and there are some 2A players that will change strings after a half hour of play šŸ˜ƒ I would recommend trying a different poly. I prefer poly on steel axles over cotton. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=143) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=145)