# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2641 "2025-01-14T16:58:56Z")
Okay okay - I’ll have to break out my Butterfly then for FAF and show it some love. If I’m being 100% honest - the Butterfly is what kept me yo-yoing from a kid through my 40s - never advancing but having fun with the basics. Had I learned stalls way back when (or even NOW) that might have changed things. When I decided to get “serious” I jumped fairly quickly from responsive play to unresponsive play. I feel like my Butterfly and even my Butterfly XT just don’t hold the mustard against my other responsive throws spin times and since I don’t know stalls - find them very limited. I’ve got to get this stall thing mastered before FAF and then maybe I’ll reignite my Butterfly love. What strings are folks using on their butterflies? I don’t have any cotton options right now. I do have some cheap “yotricks” 100% poly though. Or MagicYoyo (though it seems thicker) then most of what I have is “fat” which seems like a big no go on starburst response. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2642 "2025-01-14T17:11:45Z")
I prefer poly on Butterflies. I play whatever my current bulk is and am not particularly fussy about it. Currently that’s OTS Normal, but it has been Kitty Fat, and Alphaline. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2643 "2025-01-14T17:21:53Z")
> [@Snoopy](#): > > Seriously—You could change nothing about the butterfly, but make it $50, and it would still be an excellent 0A yo-yo. :joy: This is honestly so true. Especially regarding the newest version. It has no business being so good for so cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2644 "2025-01-14T17:23:14Z")
> [@spyder-man](#): > > What strings are folks using on their butterflies? The Zipline Alphaline is a great string for the Butterfly. It has a great twist and thickness for consistent response. ---
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2645 "2025-01-14T17:40:13Z")
My butterfly is older - so maybe that’s part of it - but I’ll throw an alphaline on it (I have some) and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2646 "2025-01-14T17:47:00Z")
gonna third the alphaline recs. i recently tried it based on a suggestion from @Yodaddyo and it feels and responds like a champ ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2647 "2025-01-14T17:53:38Z")
Ya, I didn’t used to like the Butterfly but the newest version has the secret sauce. I can’t even put my finger on exactly why, but I’ve been told they updated the mould and use a higher quality plastic. It is more solid, more consistent and overall just feels nicer in play and in the hand. All of the ones I have play really smooth and respond well with a good string match up. Here is a comparison I wrote up on [identifying the newest version of Butterflies](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/an-unofficial-guide-to-identifying-the-new-duncan-butterflies/365957). ---
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2648 "2025-01-14T18:15:34Z")
Mine is most definitely the old mould. ---
**Author:** ![Son-of-Morris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/son-of-morris/32/250533_2.png) [@Son-of-Morris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Son-of-Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2649 "2025-01-14T18:23:47Z")
Show us on the scale how old your butterfly is. 🤣 ![PXL_20241231_184352698.PORTRAIT.ORIGINAL](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/9/e/39e2a797826dd1fd772afe321a8ae9aaae224434.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2650 "2025-01-14T18:32:48Z")
Not pictured? But guessing newer than green and older than purple. 🤣 ![IMG_2967](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/9/5/a952cd386547964538f19822e1d40c164e09d8a0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Son-of-Morris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/son-of-morris/32/250533_2.png) [@Son-of-Morris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Son-of-Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2651 "2025-01-14T18:40:28Z")
Haha, that was just the general butterfly logo designs as they evolved, but definitely an old mold of one of the latest logo iterations. Xanadu has a good thread on here about the mold changes, looks like yours is one of the older ones. Almost textbook! 🙂 ![928794a4e8870e437757faf20fb7264d9f2774ba_2_666x500](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/0/9/009a06bcdc2301cc0a36fd49bbc014eb0f5fa429.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Fellhoelter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fellhoelter/32/286497_2.png) [@Fellhoelter](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Fellhoelter)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2652 "2025-01-14T21:57:12Z")
I made some D size blanks in Titanium, but haven’t posted them yet. @AudreySickburn is the only one that has seen them yet. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2653 "2025-01-14T22:23:31Z")
I can attest to their quality. I’ve got one in a respawn lite in my pocket right now. Super fun. ---
**Author:** ![BladeWieldingQueen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bladewieldingqueen/32/347554_2.png) [@BladeWieldingQueen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/BladeWieldingQueen)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2654 "2025-01-15T06:24:46Z")
Haven’t managed to get to it yet due to some family stuff, but I will update here once I do! I got a second Butterfly and that one works perfectly so I’m happy I have at least one working one for now 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2655 "2025-01-15T12:02:33Z")
kitten session 🐈 (using the @ardeus sprint) ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2656 "2025-01-15T12:12:38Z")
dude, i try so hard to watch for my 2 kittens, but one snuck in the other night and took a breakaway hit. fortunately i wasnt throwing hard ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2657 "2025-01-15T15:34:41Z")
Thanks for this shoutout @Captrogers, I took some time last night and made some more blanks. Just put them up for sale [here](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/they-re-back-mr85-bearing-blanks-for-sale-in-time-for-faf/417283). ---
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2658 "2025-01-15T19:58:35Z")
They aren’t pretty or consistent - but I’m finally landing a stall on my Confusion. For some reason that yoyo is easier than the Weekender for me to do it right now. Gotta keep practicing but man - finally! Thank you @edhaponik from a #4 Horse! ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2659 "2025-01-15T20:10:00Z")
nice! and heck yea, confusion is mad fun! is it the hubstacked version? ---
**Author:** ![spyder-man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spyder-man/32/599092_2.png) [@spyder-man](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/spyder-man)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2660 "2025-01-15T20:29:17Z")
I didn’t even know they made a hubstack one (outside of the Little Confusion). I just snagged this older “beater” Confusion on FB BST for $11 shipped. I’m waiting on some blanks from Amazon to arrive to turn it into a fixie. Honestly I had it sitting off to the side but was struggling greatly with the Weekender to land a stall - spent too long trying to perfect a 1A breakaway to wrap my head around a super gentle 0A breakaway stall. But I’m finally breaking that mental barrier. I for some reason decided to set the Weekender down and pick up the Confusion and the weight/size difference was just enough that it started clicking - at least a little. 😄 [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=131) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228.md?page=133)