# The 0A Thread (Fixed Axle & Modern Responsive) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [June 20, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228 "2019-06-20T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2100 "2024-06-19T06:47:26Z")
throw softer, stalls are much easier with soft throws and it stops the pain lol ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2101 "2024-06-19T13:32:26Z")
Been looking at Kuhn’s throws like the Woody as well as Ed Davidson’s work. Davidson’s pieces look like more display that also can play while Kuhn’s look beautiful but more function. Is this accurate or do the Davidson throws play a well as they are beautiful? ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2102 "2024-06-19T14:01:02Z")
thats a fair assumption. Ed Davidsons work is beautiful and playable but the TK stuff is more focused on function while still being a work of art. Both are fantastic but TK has an edge on that front. With that said the craftsmanship of Davidsons lathe work is next level. one piece, lathework with ornate fixtures. its outstanding and on another level. The low price he puts these up at vs what they could be is wild as well. It blows me away at how affordable his work is to get. I will note the string ed sends with his yoyos is entirely display level its not great for play but throw some standard cotton on the yoyo and it plays fantastic. Ed puts allot of effort in ensuring balance and precision which is hard for a wood piece and his designs have evolved to more butterfly shaped vs the looping throws he was putting out earlier last year. personally, im wishing i could snag a few more of ed Davidsons lathe craft this year as its fantastic craft. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2103 "2024-06-19T14:02:48Z")
if you really want a wood yoyo thats all play and no fluff go for a spinworth or a john gates wood yoyo. those are solid players all around. wildwoods is also fantastic but im not sure if eric is back to making stuff quite yet. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2104 "2024-06-19T14:40:05Z")
It also helps to have softer/more rounded yo-yo shape. I find butterflies beat my hands up quite a bit. This is one of the reasons why I like the RBC. ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2105 "2024-06-19T15:34:13Z")
> [@twenty\_two](#): > > Is it normal to beat the crud out of your knuckles when practicing stalls Eventually you’ll be able to throw a hard stall and not bash your fingers at all. But like @bheinz63 suggested, softer throws to start. ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2106 "2024-06-19T15:41:47Z")
Are you aiming to do stalls and flips and all those 0A shenanigans? If so, a woody may not be the funnest… unless you’re really trying to hone your accuracy. Of course it can all be done on them, it’s just much more difficult. A good cheap alternative to getting something like a No Jive or SpinWorthy may be a BC Apollo. Like @Captrogers said too, a Jon Gates would also be amazing if you can catch them in stock. Love my Apollo though and you can still find cheap new old stock online. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2107 "2024-06-19T15:44:32Z")
The YYF Legend Wing is a perfectly acceptable, inexpensive entry wood fixie and is usually not too difficult to find in stock. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2108 "2024-06-19T15:48:12Z")
> [@TryCatchThrow](#): > > not too difficult to find in stock And then I ate my words trying to find one. There are lots of good starter fixies. The Butterfly is king; I believe every player should have one (obviously it’s not wood or wood axle). ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2109 "2024-06-19T15:50:46Z")
lol you haven’t checked the stock of those recently. Finding a legend wing is rough I think the boho was in stock in a few places and similar enough ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2110 "2024-06-19T15:51:18Z")
> [@Captrogers](#): > > boho I haven’t played a Boho but I would believe it. I like the engraving. ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2111 "2024-06-19T16:07:07Z")
I’m still yet to try a BoHo but really want to. This is going to sound oxymoronic, but from the ones I’ve seen that have broken in two, they look slightly better built. The insides of the Legend Wings are pretty rough, but the BoHo internals looked finished. Legend Wings are awesome. I keep a fresh one in my case. ---
**Author:** ![Pun1sh3R](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pun1sh3r/32/193125_2.png) [@Pun1sh3R](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pun1sh3R)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2112 "2024-06-19T17:22:09Z")
Wood has a different feel. No two woods play the same, even same model same wood will have variations. To some of us, this is appealing. Models that stretch across different woods are similar. I an enabler. Pick one up (Wont matter from who or where). Then once you are addicted, good luck finding the missing wood/models. Preference will always come i to play. Modern responsives are just as fun. 0A tricks across both wood and bearing. For me; I find modern responsives in my pocket for the daily throw. They are more robust and fairly easy to replace or double up compared to wood. I also have PTSD from snappung a Gnomad in my pocket, so take this with a grain of salt. Have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2113 "2024-06-19T18:46:14Z")
> [@GnarlyCharlie](#): > > something like a No Jive Now isnt that what hes calling the new woody? Just the no jive was 3 in 1 adjustable correct? ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2114 "2024-06-19T20:23:22Z")
A No Jive in imperial shape looks a lot like a woody. ---
**Author:** ![twenty\_two](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twenty_two/32/283031_2.png) [@twenty\_two](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twenty_two)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2115 "2024-06-19T22:05:37Z")
Anyone have any experience with WoodbyGates on Etsy? ![IMG_5608](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/c/4/5c482e0a04fc7f84629bb445973d6814b7ff0139.jpeg) I had a discount code and got one of these for a decent price. Waiting for it to ship now. ---
**Author:** ![Yodaddyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yodaddyo/32/602050_2.png) [@Yodaddyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yodaddyo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2116 "2024-06-19T22:10:47Z")
I have to assume that’s John gates. If it is, it should be tops! ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2117 "2024-06-19T22:18:04Z")
I’ve also wondered what would happen if you ordered one. It is Jon Gates, I’ve just only ever waited for stock on his website and ordered that way. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2118 "2024-06-19T22:53:07Z")
i never understood why gates had the etsy shop still. i have eyed that yoyo so many times and stopped myself cause i don’t “need” it ---
**Author:** ![GnarlyCharlie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gnarlycharlie/32/279610_2.png) [@GnarlyCharlie](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GnarlyCharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/the-0a-thread-fixed-axle-modern-responsive/304228/2119 "2024-06-19T23:52:51Z")
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