# TBB/Confusion Alternative Recs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 8, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180 "2023-09-08T21:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SaltySailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@SaltySailor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SaltySailor)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/1 "2023-09-08T21:54:39Z")
So…I’ve been on this site for 2 days looking up recs for a new yo yo. the Bimetal BB is a dud and unresponsive. I remember the old one being adjustable so that sucks. Loved that thing. It’s been 20 years and I thought I’d get a Cold Fusion but don’t wanna pay $70 on a toy that I probably won’t use forever. So I looked at the Confusion. The only problem is that no matter what I look at, everything is sold out and out of stock. So I was gonna splurge and get what I know being the old TBB…can’t find cork pads available anywhere. Confusions are only being sold for $250 for the titanium versions. I dont need a butterfly style thrower. Just a slim pocketable one that has a nice tug response or is adjustable depending on how tight you twist it like the old TBB. I like to be able to just throw at times and other times play around a bit more and get into tricks. I like adaptability, durability, and I’m tired of parts being out of stock or discontinued. Looking for a metal body and something a bit heavier. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/2 "2023-09-08T21:59:02Z")
Yoyo factory sells retro response brake pads which are essentially the old cork pads. I really enjoy my turbo grind machine for cork response. If your looking for something that’s not a big investment the yo tricks Origen is fantastic. Also turbo bumblebee can be made responsive but it’s a pain. More enjoyable throw would be a deepstate if your going that route ---
**Author:** ![SaltySailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@SaltySailor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SaltySailor)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/3 "2023-09-08T22:17:59Z")
I can’t even find the deep state out there lol…It’s like throwing made a comeback in 2022 and disappeared according to the internet ---
**Author:** ![flyfish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/flyfish/32/673880_2.png) [@flyfish](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flyfish)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/4 "2023-09-09T02:36:41Z")
There are at least a few brown Deep States available new on a couple reputable stores…not sure if I can post their names here. I bought a new red DS a couple weeks ago. There are new aluminum Confusions available too. ---
**Author:** ![fradiger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fradiger/32/66850_2.png) [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/5 "2023-09-09T06:18:03Z")
I can double down on the Origen recommendation, great performer, good for the price. ---
**Author:** ![LX\_Emergency](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lx_emergency/32/149227_2.png) [@LX\_Emergency](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LX_Emergency)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/6 "2023-09-09T06:37:40Z")
The MagicYoyo T7 is a pretty decent tug responsive…and it’s super cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Fun\_Dad69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6bbea6/32.png) [@Fun\_Dad69](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Fun_Dad69)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/7 "2023-09-09T12:12:15Z")
Origen is a really really good yo-yo. I just got a SnapBack the other day and I was so pleasantly surprised. Totally worth picking up imo ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/8 "2023-09-09T16:01:20Z")
Sounds like you may really like the YoyoFactory Grind Machine. It uses brake pads that YYF brought back. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/tbb-confusion-alternative-recs/384180/9 "2023-09-09T16:35:41Z")
The Confusion is available on its brand’s website. It’s an excellent player and a good value at $35. I will also echo the Origen rec. This thing rips!