# Swivel Discussion. Now with Brand New Super Easy Pictorial!! Wee **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [April 21, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577 "2013-04-21T23:39:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/121 "2013-04-25T00:41:04Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8I_xlQMrHY) Knots and knots and knots and knots SPAGHETTI SPAGHETTI SPAGHETTI ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/122 "2013-04-25T06:40:53Z")
Well, I updated my written trick tutorials again :🙂 …lol. I added a couple new tricks, and fine tuned some others. I changed the Homba Mount slightly. > **[Hidden Eel Tricks](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,59602.msg623112.html)** > > Here are some tricks I have been working on utilizing the swivel set-up in this thread: Sorry I don’t have pictures or video. I hope the directions are easy to follow. These tricks may not be new, but they are new to me. Let me know if these tricks... ---
**Author:** ![SpinPsycho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@SpinPsycho](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SpinPsycho)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/123 "2013-04-25T22:21:43Z")
The maintenance of desired string tension is integral to Good Yo. NOT neutral tension - DESIRED tension. Part of the beauty of simple yoyo string is the ability to ADJUST tension to fit need. Perpetually neutral yoyo string works and is easy, but you’ll never get to the next level of control that way, and will be at the mercy of your chosen string’s twist. But hey, what do I know. . . some people think automatics belong in sports cars (and yes I know modern technology is quickly making that analogy obsolete, but it still applies to yoyos). ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/124 "2013-04-25T22:37:00Z")
> [@SpinPsycho](#): > > The maintenance of desired string tension is integral to Good Yo. NOT neutral tension - DESIRED tension. Part of the beauty of simple yoyo string is the ability to ADJUST tension to fit need. Perpetually neutral yoyo string works and is easy, but you’ll never get to the next level of control that way, and will be at the mercy of your chosen string’s twist. But hey, what do I know. . . some people think automatics belong in sports cars (and yes I know modern technology is quickly making that analogy obsolete, but it still applies to yoyos). Can you give an example of a trick/s where “desired” tension works where neutral tension doesn’t? Can you explain how you achieve “the next level of control” through the ability of utilizing “desired” string tension alone, and why it cannot be achieved with constant neutral tension? Just trying to see your point of view. ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/125 "2013-04-26T02:45:01Z")
> [@Motley07](#): > > > [@SpinPsycho](#): > > > > nobody worth their salt has signed on to your little brainstorm lovefest. Why is that? > > E > Err! I’m worth my salt (are U?) and I buy into the “brainstorm love fest” It’s fun,entertaining and opens up/lends it’s self to a whole new world wrt Zammy esque type tricks.I for one welcome our new “Swivel Overlords”!. I wonder what Josh has to say! Don’t beckon the Furry One. Lololol ---
**Author:** ![Motley07](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/motley07/32/789_2.png) [@Motley07](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Motley07)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/126 "2013-04-26T02:54:23Z")
> [@SkyHighYo](#): > > > [@Motley07](#): > > > > > [@SpinPsycho](#): > > > > > > nobody worth their salt has signed on to your little brainstorm lovefest. Why is that? > > > > E > > Err! I’m worth my salt (are U?) and I buy into the “brainstorm love fest” It’s fun,entertaining and opens up/lends it’s self to a whole new world wrt Zammy esque type tricks.I for one welcome our new “Swivel Overlords”!. I wonder what Josh has to say! > > Don’t beckon the Furry One. Lololol Gotta admit if you can cut thru Josh’s “Don Quixote” ramblings, his input is valuable. Woof,woof! Also, I wish Zammy would give some input on this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/127 "2013-04-26T02:59:03Z")
Nono, I respect Josh. He is valuable for the community, and he clearly knows his stuff ;] I was totally joking. ---
**Author:** ![Motley07](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/motley07/32/789_2.png) [@Motley07](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Motley07)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/128 "2013-04-26T03:12:21Z")
> [@SkyHighYo](#): > > Nono, I respect Josh. He is valuable for the community, and he clearly knows his stuff ;] I was totally joking. I realize that your just joking Skyhigh. The things is tho’, we’re all having fun here and even though this whole swivel thing might be flogging a dead horse in someone else’s world means not to me. This is fun! I don’t need a"salted" opinion really. Just wondering what the boys have to say. ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/129 "2013-04-26T03:16:07Z")
> [@Motley07](#): > > > [@SkyHighYo](#): > > > > Nono, I respect Josh. He is valuable for the community, and he clearly knows his stuff ;] I was totally joking. > > I realize that your just joking Skyhigh. The things is tho’, we’re all having fun here and even though this whole swivel thing might be flogging a dead horse in someone else’s world means not to me. This is fun! I don’t need a"salted" opinion really. Just wondering what the boys have to say. True, but even if World Champ came in here and shunned the idea, I would still continue to use the swivel. That is, until a valid reason comes up and I can prove it myself. Like; if swivels are preventing me from doing a certain trick. But other than that, I’m sorry to anyone who gets a sour taste in their mouths cuz of this. I wonder how they these nay-sayers feel about Bearings added to yoyo’s :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/130 "2013-04-26T04:14:00Z")
Locked so I can clean up this mess. When unlocked lets keep this fun. OK? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/131 "2013-04-26T04:31:45Z")
Unlocked. Again… let’s keep things swivel… I mean civil 🙂 To add to the discussion. The tricks (easy) sewing machine and (harder) Eli hops would seem to be hindered by the swivel. My two cents. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/132 "2013-04-26T04:32:39Z")
Vegabomb thank you! I will do my part to prevent that from happening again. \<3 I can do Eli Hops just fine, elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![supbreh1234](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/supbreh1234/32/1131_2.png) [@supbreh1234](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/supbreh1234)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/133 "2013-04-26T04:33:59Z")
Thanks everyone. Sorry to everyone but the troll for haveing a short fuse. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/134 "2013-04-26T04:35:10Z")
> [@SkyHighYo](#): > > Vegabomb thank you! I will do my part to prevent that from happening again. \<3 > > I can do Eli Hops just fine, elaborate? I’ve not used the swivel but when I do Eli Hops my hands touch. It seems that the swivel would run along my NTH index. Probably still possible but it would seem that there would be a bit of a hitch. ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/135 "2013-04-26T04:38:24Z")
> [@vegabomb](#): > > > [@SkyHighYo](#): > > > > Vegabomb thank you! I will do my part to prevent that from happening again. \<3 > > > > I can do Eli Hops just fine, elaborate? > > I’ve not used the swivel but when I do Eli Hops my hands touch. It seems that the swivel would run along my NTH index. Probably still possible but it would seem that there would be a bit of a hitch. The swivel is actually 1 cm away from the skin of my throw finger. Even that close, I’ll admit I do very briefly run my NTH index across the swivel sometimes when I’m doing eli hops. Not every time… but it’s too brief to make a difference to the actual trick. It’s just the same as if there is no swivel there really, and the swivel is so small you barely notice, it doesn’t “hitch” on your finger. Note the pictures of the swivel are macro, and it’s actually smaller than my index finger nail. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/136 "2013-04-26T04:52:01Z")
There is no hitch. My finger slides clean across. The knots turn downward because of the swivel. This is also the way I have been able to quickly grab and pull the string from the swivel. When I press the swivel against my thumb/finger/hand, the knot swivels outward. So, the knot is sticking out, in the perfect position to reach over and grab it quickly. I can do it all in one motion while the yoyo is in the air. > [@vegabomb](#): > > let’s keep things swivel… I mean civil 🙂 😃 * * * Well, I’ve put at least 8 hours into this string and everything is holding up just fine. :wink: ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/137 "2013-04-26T05:05:53Z")
I’m still using the same string since before I started this thread. It has atleast 24 hours of solid throwing on it. ---
**Author:** ![frodoslair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/frodoslair/32/833_2.png) [@frodoslair](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/frodoslair)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/138 "2013-04-26T07:23:10Z")
I think using a swivel is a fantastic idea for everyday throwing…but I do agree with SpinPsycho - certain tricks are only really possible with negative or positive tension. Slacky fake knot tricks which rely on the string kinking to hold a “knot” come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/139 "2013-04-26T07:38:52Z")
> [@frodoslair](#): > > I think using a swivel is a fantastic idea for everyday throwing…but I do agree with SpinPsycho - certain tricks are only really possible with negative or positive tension. Slacky fake knot tricks which rely on the string kinking to hold a “knot” come to mind. Can you give a specific name/example of a trick like this, where neutral tension won’t work? In my experience, fake/magic knots will hold regardless of tension. Maybe you know a trick I am not aware of where this isn’t the case? Just trying to see your point of view. ---
**Author:** ![SkyHighYo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/skyhighyo/32/234_2.png) [@SkyHighYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SkyHighYo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577/140 "2013-04-26T09:13:04Z")
I’m down for hearing others point of views, as long as they can give in depth examples and not go berserker mode like the other guy. I’m just so far in that I feel like if I would have found something that doesn’t work, I would have found it… but you learn something new everyday, literally. There’s tons of tricks I don’t know, but I’m interested to know one that won’t work on this setup. That being said, even if you can prove to me one trick that doesn’t work, I will probably keep going on regardless. Unless that trick contains anti-swivel elements which completely influence my style from that point on; then yeah I’d be more than happy to pick up my other throw without the swivel and do some of that stuff 😃 I think this is a very, very nice tool for practicing. Just gets me one step closer to non-stop relentless practice. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/swivel-discussion-now-with-brand-new-super-easy-pictorial-wee/52577.md?page=8)