# Super Smash Bros. Melee Discussion

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**Category:** Unrelated Discussion\
**Created:** [December 28, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511 "2013-12-28T00:23:55Z")\
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**Author:** ![crococorey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crococorey/32/1380_2.png) [@crococorey](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crococorey)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/21 "2013-12-31T22:13:11Z")

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> [@benkdru80](#):
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> Take back what you said about G&W. I competed with him (Brawl version) for just shy of a year, and in my opinion, he’s one of the better characters out there. You can’t pressure him with projectiles because of his garbage can, which opens up lots of doors for attacking. He also has a good amount of attacks with broken hitboxes (opponents will complain about “that stupid turtle attack”).
> 
> I could go on, but I don’t feel like it. Game and Watch is amazing. That is all.

Hes soooooo slow!

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**Author:** ![benkdru80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@benkdru80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/benkdru80)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/22 "2013-12-31T22:26:19Z")

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> [@crococorey](#):
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> Hes soooooo slow!

On the ground he is, but he’s a character focused on aerial attacks.

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**Author:** ![baerinatux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@baerinatux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/baerinatux)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/23 "2013-12-31T22:31:59Z")

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> [@benkdru80](#):
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> Take back what you said about G&W. I competed with him (Brawl version) for just shy of a year, and in my opinion, he’s one of the better characters out there. You can’t pressure him with projectiles because of his garbage can, which opens up lots of doors for attacking. He also has a good amount of attacks with broken hitboxes (opponents will complain about “that stupid turtle attack”).
> 
> I could go on, but I don’t feel like it. Game and Watch is amazing. That is all.

Agreed with this. G&W is a great character! Especially in PM.

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**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/24 "2014-01-02T08:30:17Z")

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> [@Legyoyo](#):
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> Yay! Melee love!
> 
> I love the game! But I like brawl better tbh. It’s just newer. Better gameplay mechanics, cooler graphics, story mode that’s alright, and a classic mode. Plus tons of goals to get.  
> Not hating on melee, it tops SOOO many of today’s games it’s cray-cray. I just like brawl more as a game, haha

Yeah I can see where you’re coming from. Brawl is definitely a game that was targeted more towards the broader audience, as Sakurai for some odd reason felt it best to shun the competitive community. Nintendo even tried to shut down the Apex 2013 SSBM stream and event \>:(

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**Author:** ![Jamie\_Larkins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jamie_larkins/32/121087_2.png) [@Jamie\_Larkins](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Jamie_Larkins)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/25 "2014-01-02T09:01:19Z")

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I loved Melee, but Project M surpasses it in every way. Brawl was fun but broken in many aspects, not the least of which is tripping. My circle of friends was often divided between Melee and Brawl, but once we figured out how easy Project M is to get running it’s a mainstay of basically every social gathering now.

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**Author:** ![Gambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gambit/32/1358_2.png) [@Gambit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gambit)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/26 "2014-01-02T09:51:41Z")

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All hail the mighty Kirby!

[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby\_Wii.png](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby_Wii.png)

I just spam the jump-in-the-air-and-turn-into-a-rock move. Raining down on my opponents left right and center.

His flying ability is epic as well, it’s suprising how easy it is to get back on once you’ve been knocked off.

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**Author:** ![crococorey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/crococorey/32/1380_2.png) [@crococorey](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/crococorey)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/27 "2014-01-02T13:05:00Z")

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> [@Gambit](#):
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> All hail the mighty Kirby!
> 
> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby\_Wii.png](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby_Wii.png)
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> I just spam the jump-in-the-air-and-turn-into-a-rock move. Raining down on my opponents left right and center.
> 
> His flying ability is epic as well, it’s suprising how easy it is to get back on once you’ve been knocked off.

When you do that alot your oponent can just wait at the bottom where the rock is and hold it a smash move until your forced to come out of the rock and then he can let go and you die.

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**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/28 "2014-01-02T14:26:02Z")

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> [@Gambit](#):
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> All hail the mighty Kirby!
> 
> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby\_Wii.png](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby_Wii.png)
> 
> I just spam the jump-in-the-air-and-turn-into-a-rock move. Raining down on my opponents left right and center.
> 
> His flying ability is epic as well, it’s suprising how easy it is to get back on once you’ve been knocked off.

Haha Kirby was a favorite of mine until my opponents got smart ☹ Kirby was underpowered in melee unfortunately. His lack of a good moveset is the reason why he’s near rock bottom of the tier list. Still, you can be annoying with him by spamming Bairs 🙂

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**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/29 "2014-01-02T14:29:50Z")

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> [@Jamie\_Larkins](#):
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> I loved Melee, but Project M surpasses it in every way. Brawl was fun but broken in many aspects, not the least of which is tripping. My circle of friends was often divided between Melee and Brawl, but once we figured out how easy Project M is to get running it’s a mainstay of basically every social gathering now.

I respect your opinion, but I don’t feel it surpasses it in EVERY way. Project M is great though, Nintendo should be taking notes (actually, apparently they did as they had the folks over ar Project M work on SSB4). I feel like the flow in melee is overall cleaner just because it was made that way naturally. Anyways, you guys should watch The Smash Brothers documentary. I’ll link it soon.  
\*warning: a bit of rough language.

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**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/30 "2014-01-02T14:42:08Z")

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> [@crococorey](#):
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> When you do that alot your oponent can just wait at the bottom where the rock is and hold it a smash move until your forced to come out of the rock and then he can let go and you die.

True. It’s best used when there’s about 4 of you so you can just sneak up on people without them noticing.

A favourite of mine was to get them in my mouth and then just jump off the edge, killing us both. I used to do it non stop to a mate of mine and she’d go livid. I’d end up being attacked physically and yelled at… it was hilarious. =P

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**Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/31 "2014-01-02T15:37:32Z")

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> [@Gambit](#):
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> All hail the mighty Kirby!
> 
> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby\_Wii.png](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby_Wii.png)
> 
> I just spam the jump-in-the-air-and-turn-into-a-rock move. Raining down on my opponents left right and center.
> 
> His flying ability is epic as well, it’s suprising how easy it is to get back on once you’ve been knocked off.

Kirby FTW. I always use him, although my opponents get annoyed because they can’t evade my rock spam lol

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**Author:** ![YoYoJordan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojordan/32/123867_2.png) [@YoYoJordan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoJordan)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/32 "2014-01-03T03:24:01Z")

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Here we go, all 9 episodes of “The Smash Brothers” documentary  
\*caution: a bit a rough language used

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/c/c/4cc4184a111559cfc765f44794a60e61cb8bb687.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 1 - Show Me Your Moves (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q)

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/c/4/9c4a5649681a858e5911fa39d491af077de6fc91.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 2 - No Johns (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlc4jEfwsc)

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/d/5/3d5f2d415074b93cc8cc4eb3b4118bb96be7b5e9.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 3 - Don't Get Hit (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEibecSOTvQ)

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/7/7/2/772bdb0c2433cf5ab07659b854f9e9d6431dfc38.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 4 - The King of Smash (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdi-HslFuk)

> **[The Smash Brothers: Episode 5 - Revolution (Remastered)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3Db6CGfNQhttp:%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch?v=IXB8yd4nxgs)**
>
> Episode 5 of 9A new challenger arises.For series discussion, check out this thread on smashboards: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-smash-brothers-series-d...

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/3/0/9303e1499e647fec876e5a156909ef1b1f346a30.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 7 - The Robot (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-1YfhUFtbY)

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/0/0/10010b9c1920b33fee1f2a54603cd8f79a8fda8b.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 8 - The Natural (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mcEHjOrt8)

[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/b/d/8/bd804eb859230256cb84c3d7b9e1d3fae1fe9a90.jpeg "The Smash Brothers: Episode 9 - Game! (Remastered)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzYWqkga74)

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**Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/33 "2014-01-03T03:42:21Z")

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> [@YoYoJordan](#):
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> Here we go, all 9 episodes of “The Smash Brothers” documentary  
> \*caution: a bit a rough language used  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlc4jEfwsc](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlc4jEfwsc)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEibecSOTvQ](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEibecSOTvQ)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdi-HslFuk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdi-HslFuk)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3Db6CGfNQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB8yd4nxgs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3Db6CGfNQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB8yd4nxgs)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-1YfhUFtbY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-1YfhUFtbY)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mcEHjOrt8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mcEHjOrt8)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzYWqkga74](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzYWqkga74)

Thank you! I will watch them later.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/34 "2014-01-05T16:37:07Z")

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> [@YoYoJordan](#):
>
> Here we go, all 9 episodes of “The Smash Brothers” documentary  
> \*caution: a bit a rough language used  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlc4jEfwsc](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlc4jEfwsc)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEibecSOTvQ](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEibecSOTvQ)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdi-HslFuk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdi-HslFuk)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3Db6CGfNQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB8yd4nxgs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3Db6CGfNQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXB8yd4nxgs)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-1YfhUFtbY](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-1YfhUFtbY)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mcEHjOrt8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mcEHjOrt8)  
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzYWqkga74](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzYWqkga74)

I just watched them all yesterday, and wow… the SSB community is just so amazing!

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**Author:** ![baerinatux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@baerinatux](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/baerinatux)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/35 "2014-01-05T17:49:50Z")

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It’s also crazy that it’s still going on. I can’t think of a single game that has had a longer lifespan.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/36 "2014-01-05T18:43:20Z")

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> [@baerinatux](#):
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> It’s also crazy that it’s still going on. I can’t think of a single game that has had a longer lifespan.

Pokemon…

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/37 "2014-01-05T19:19:20Z")

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> [@ImPerfectooo](#):
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> Pokemon…

The difference is there are six generations of Pokemon games each with at least three games in a generation. Smash has a total of three games, the most popular one being played still competitively for the past 12 years. The equivalent is if Pokemon crystal, which was gen 2 and came out the same month as melee, was still being played competitively at a high level. Don’t get me wrong, I am a huge Pokemon fan, but smash is on another level compared to Pokemon when it comes to lifespan of a game. A single game having a 12 year competitive streak is unreal.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/38 "2014-01-05T19:24:53Z")

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> [@baerinatux](#):
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> The difference is there are six generations of Pokemon games each with at least three games in a generation. Smash has a total of three games, the most popular one being played still competitively for the past 12 years. The equivalent is if Pokemon crystal, which was gen 2 and came out the same month as melee, was still being played competitively at a high level. Don’t get me wrong, I am a huge Pokemon fan, but smash is on another level compared to Pokemon when it comes to lifespan of a game. A single game having a 12 year competitive streak is unreal.

Well gen 3 is still played because people are doing nuzlockes with them

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/39 "2014-01-05T19:30:22Z")

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> [@LeftyLink](#):
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> Well gen 3 is still played because people are doing nuzlockes with them

But people doing a nuzlocke challenge is different than having the game being played at Evo. Pokemon is played competitively there with the VGC ruleset, but its always the newest gen not an older gen. Melee was the most watched stream at Evo2012.

Like I said, Pokemon has absolutely amazing metagame and is one of the greatest game series of all time, but they are different from Melee.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/super-smash-bros-melee-discussion/62511/40 "2014-01-05T23:04:24Z")

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I just watched the first of the videos, and now i feel like im such a noob haha. I know what all the moves they mentioned are, but i didnt know what they were called.

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