# Stuck on basic loop… **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Tricks\ **Created:** [September 24, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251 "2023-09-24T17:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/21 "2023-09-25T22:06:10Z")
Think about a basic sleeper. For that you throw palm up and catch palm down. the same thing happens with loops. It is likely that your inside loops are not flipping and that is why you’re only experiencing this with outside loops. Here is imo the very best tutorial for outside loops. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/9/3/193190cb7e020e4a280dbd206ad5762a5a124ce7.jpeg "【ヨーヨー】アウトサイド・ループのやり方 | How to do Outside Loop【技】【EAZY】【TUTORIAL】") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K7-nPvyxCw) ---
**Author:** ![Vai113](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b38774/32.png) [@Vai113](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Vai113)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/22 "2023-09-25T22:11:00Z")
Wait at the end of the loop I’m supposed to catch it palm up? How do you do multiple loops that way? ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/23 "2023-09-25T22:11:50Z")
just like with your forward toss that looks good ---
**Author:** ![ChrisFrancz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chrisfrancz/32/48992_2.png) [@ChrisFrancz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChrisFrancz)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/24 "2023-09-25T22:13:27Z")
It took me over a month to get good looping form. Practicing while very frustrated is a killjoy. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisFrancz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chrisfrancz/32/48992_2.png) [@ChrisFrancz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChrisFrancz)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/25 "2023-09-25T22:14:34Z")
One more loop and the string would be on the corect side. ---
**Author:** ![Vai113](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b38774/32.png) [@Vai113](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Vai113)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/26 "2023-09-25T22:16:15Z")
OK I am now seeing how to catch it with the palm up and the strings the right direction but when you try to do multiple loops is the palm going up also(or only after the final loop in the sequence?, Sorry for all the questions guys. I really am excited to get this nailed. Your all awesome and great appreciate you all!!! ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/27 "2023-09-25T22:21:21Z")
It’s kind of in like a handshake position is the best way to describe it when You’re doing multiples loops ---
**Author:** ![Lynil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lynil/32/214633_2.png) [@Lynil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lynil)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/28 "2023-09-25T22:22:37Z")
I know it’s bad technique but I have a bad habit of looping handshake method with my palms facing the side. Generally you have your palms facing down at an angle and just flick your middle finger. When you do multiple loops you don’t “catch” the yoyo, you just flick it back out. Imagine the point where the the string is attached to your finger as a pivot with the string taut ---
**Author:** ![Vai113](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b38774/32.png) [@Vai113](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Vai113)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/29 "2023-09-25T22:25:11Z")
Yeah I understand the handshake and it’s mostly wrist middle finger ; so let me just confirm I understand what everyone Said; Do a normal outer loop repeat as many times then on the last loop I want to catch its palm up… it’s that easy lol? I was totally overthinking it and analyzing it to do if I can’t believe I didn’t even realize this; ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/30 "2023-09-25T22:26:20Z")
Lol it happens to all of us better to have a good understanding of what you want to happen than to swim blindly but yeah catch palm up and you should be good ---
**Author:** ![Vai113](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b38774/32.png) [@Vai113](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Vai113)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/31 "2023-09-25T22:30:06Z")
That fixed it !!! I’m so thrilled you guys are awesome !! I feel so much better you guys made my week 😌 ---
**Author:** ![Lynil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lynil/32/214633_2.png) [@Lynil](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lynil)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/32 "2023-09-25T22:45:11Z")
Just to be clear, the stuff about palm position is more for inside loops. For outside loops my hand is in like a claw/loose fist shape so that I can control the string with my index finger. Either way you should catch the yoyo palm up for the final loop. Anyway good luck! ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/33 "2023-09-25T23:52:00Z")
Apologies. I was summoned and didn’t notice. Busy days. I didn’t read the whole thread, so here are some casual observations and apologies if I repeated anyone or you’re already aware of anything I say. I think the main problem I see in your videos is that your loops are more wrist roll and less wrist snap. This is my fave tutorial on inner loop: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/d/2/ad223b808f724ebecc7b8e8fc653284c64e70e27.jpeg "【ヨーヨー】ループ・ザ・ループのやり方 | How to do Inside Loop【技】【EAZY】【TUTORIAL】") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahHzckA9hvE) I thought I had inner loop down because I could get a bunch of loops but really I needed to lock down my form so it was consistent. This is what unlocks eventually doing two handing. The thing that really resonated for me is that Shu says the motion is like hitting a spacebar on a keyboard very hard. I mention the inner loop form because outer loop is basically the same way except you snap your wrist the other way. The wrist snap is what flips the throw for the most part. If you don’t have two different color halves, put a sticker or piece of color tape on one side to make sure that you’re flipping every time. Eventually you feel it but it’s helpful when you’re starting out. If you’re sleeping at the ends, it’s possible you’re not on the right angle (1:00 on right, 11:00 on left), or you might need a tighter gap or a little thick lube or a new string to make it more responsive. Looping absolutely eats strings. If you’re playing for 2 hours daily, I would at least change strings daily, maybe more frequently. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/34 "2023-09-25T23:57:46Z")
Oh, also, I would encourage you to not get discouraged. I’ve been working on 2a for 9 months and I can two hand a little; it’s not consistent. Looping is not the most rewarding as far as progression; it’s kind of a long grind to perfect a small set of movements and then once you’re over the hump you can start getting creative. If you’re looking for more consistent rewards as you go, mix in a little 1A or other style of your choice. Throwing in different styles all reinforces each other, but I personally find it easier to learn a new, short string trick than it has been to perfect an inner loop. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/35 "2023-09-26T00:06:34Z")
Here’s me looping one handed on my Hornet. ---
**Author:** ![Vai113](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b38774/32.png) [@Vai113](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Vai113)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/36 "2023-09-26T00:55:45Z")
Thank you so much on the feedback your video looks excellent … guess it just takes time and lots of practice ; pardons my ignorance what is all this 1a and 2a etc I hear people talking about ? Are those skill levels or tricks? Thanks for the feedback on the wrist snap I see what you mean mines a lot slower wrist motion…needs quicker movement . And yes it’s been sleeping a lot on the toss but I’ve had the same strings for about 10 hours ; The sleeping is annoying so I’ll try to aim more at the 1 like you suggested many thanks I am just trying to be decent at yo-yoing and learning the basics the first few months . ---
**Author:** ![GTDropKnot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gtdropknot/32/212400_2.png) [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/37 "2023-09-26T01:46:56Z")
> [@Vai113](#): > > pardons my ignorance what is all this 1a and 2a etc I hear people talking about ? Are those skill levels or tricks? You’re good no problem! There are 5 styles of yoyoing you’ll hear referenced a bunch because they are the 5 styles that ppl compete at in contests. 1a is 1 unresponsive yoyo attached to the hand doing string tricks. 2a is 2 responsive yoyos doing looping tricks, like what you’re working on, plus around the world type tricks and wrap tricks. 3a is 2 unresponsive yoyos doing string tricks. 4a is off string so string attached to finger but not the yoyo. 5a is freehand or counter weight where the yoyo is attached to a string and a counter weight on the other end that is held and thrown around. there is also 0a which is string tricks with a responsive yoyo. These are also just my definitions of where the styles are at currently and the definition of the styles have changed over time. > **2023 world winning performances for 1a-5a** > > [1a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GO6JwzfkY) > [2a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l8DRxrwIe8) > [3a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VrMgtr5MTc) > [4a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mltm95fY4kA) > [5a](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5eY7PJKxAA) ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/38 "2023-09-26T01:50:44Z")
Styles of yoyoing are denoted 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A. See [YoYoExpert.com - Basic Styles of Play](https://yoyoexpert.com/learn/002-basic-five-styles.php) for more info. Video was here: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/d/6/ad6f65e2e21ad1dfd471ad1e67bd1ef008972fd4.jpeg "Basic Styles Of Yo Yo Play - 02 How To Do Basic Yo Yo Tricks") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDkmKErotDo) 1A is string tricks usually with an unresponsive yoyo. 2A is two handed looping style. By default I assumed that because you were learning looping you wanted to learn 2A and doing it two handed, but that might have been a bad assumption on my part. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisFrancz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chrisfrancz/32/48992_2.png) [@ChrisFrancz](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ChrisFrancz)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/39 "2023-09-26T02:15:45Z")
Like others have said: Don’t quit. Yoyos can be very frustrating and extremely rewarding. If you click on “learn” from the menu on top you can get tons of info and helpful videos to help you out. ---
**Author:** ![mrJames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mrjames/32/236865_2.png) [@mrJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrJames)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251/40 "2023-09-26T03:12:17Z")
I love this thread. It makes me feel not so old. 🤣 Anyway, @TryCatchThrow beat me to it. It’s all in the wrist. In my opinion, it’s more about feel than form or anything else. My son had the hardest time looping too. What got him over the hump was telling him to stop looking and thinking, and just get a feel for what the yoyo is doing. Then right before it gets to your hand, flick it back out with your wrist. Now he’s a looping fool. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/stuck-on-basic-loop/385251.md?page=3)