# Speedcubing tips **URL:** \ **Category:** Skill Toys\ **Created:** [June 30, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884 "2021-06-30T04:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/1 "2021-06-30T04:04:44Z")
Hi Guys i got into speedcubing 5 days ago and I learned beginner cfop and the normal beginner method my average time is 1:20 my best is 1:8 I just can’t get under a minute. I am now trying to learn F2L Advanced I used tutorials from Jperm but for some reason his F2L tutorials are super weard sortet I just can’t remember those algorithms how did everyone here learned F2L advanced and were. Thanks a lot 😁:wink: ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/2 "2021-06-30T06:05:05Z")
I still do cross and F2L intuitively for the most part. I’m not going to try and memorize 77 F2L algs. It’s going to be hard enough (for me) to memorize all the OLL and PLL algs. ---
**Author:** ![piano\_man19](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/piano_man19/32/127975_2.png) [@piano\_man19](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/piano_man19)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/3 "2021-06-30T11:22:25Z")
> [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](#): > > 5 days ago > [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](#): > > my average time is 1:20 my best is 1:8 That is crazy progress! ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/4 "2021-06-30T19:43:31Z")
Thanks a lot that means a lot to me someone else got some tips for advanced F2l ? ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/5 "2021-06-30T19:45:14Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > It’s going to be hard enough (for me) to memorize all the OLL and PLL algs. Are you doing beginner oll and pll or advanced? I still do beginner so around 17 algorithms ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/6 "2021-06-30T19:50:51Z")
I use 4LLL, which would be considered “beginner” OLL/PLL. I only know 13 OLL algs and 10 PLL algs. Sometimes I get lucky and get a single-look OLL case I know, or a single-look PLL case I know, but usually I have to solve LL using 4 algs. ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/7 "2021-06-30T19:53:19Z")
Can send me we’re you get the algorithms from? ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/8 "2021-06-30T19:53:48Z")
Because I don’t know that method ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/9 "2021-06-30T19:58:16Z")
4LLL just refers to the fact that OLL is done in 2 steps and then PLL is done in 2 steps. This is the website I use to learn cubing: [https://www.cubeskills.com/](https://www.cubeskills.com/) ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/10 "2021-06-30T19:59:07Z")
That’s we’re I learned oll [https://jperm.net/algs/2look/oll](https://jperm.net/algs/2look/oll) And from here pll [https://jperm.net/algs/2look/pll](https://jperm.net/algs/2look/pll) So those two together are 16 algorithms for oll and Pll That’s what I use Then there are advanced Oll eich you can do without making the cross before on the last layer ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/11 "2021-07-02T16:41:56Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > 4LLL just refers to the fact that OLL is done in 2 steps and then PLL is done in 2 steps. Ahhh lol :joy: just realize myself that it’s just the name for the last layer (so pll and oll ) as once ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/12 "2021-07-02T16:57:58Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > I still do cross and F2L intuitively for the most part. I’m not going to try and memorize 77 F2L algs. It’s going to be hard enough (for me) to memorize all the OLL and PLL algs. Try that one. It’s the best organized tutorial there is and don’t try to memorize everything at once because the recognition of a few cases is very Hard. Take out 2 or 3 of those split cases ( were the corner and edge you want to put in are next to each over but not in the right way ) and try to remember those. Then make around 10 Slow solves and every time you see the case use the algorithm. Then put the cube to the side and make something different (yoyoing or something else) for ten minutes or so and don’t try to think of the algorithm ( learn hard yoyo trick helps :wink:).T hen come back put in the case ( with corner twists ) and look if you can remember the algorithm. Repeat that a few times over the days until you got it down then try to use it in a speed solve. That’s what I used the last few days and I learned a few cases already ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/13 "2021-07-02T17:07:15Z")
The advice I am following, which a lot of top speedcubers agree with for the most part is this: 1. Practice and improve beginner CFOP until you average around 45s. 2. Work on doing INTUITIVE F2L more efficiently. This is something you should work on continuously but this is where you should start to do it. 3. Work on finger tricks, but don’t learn anything too crazy. At this point I would recommend getting down to about 30 seconds before the next step. 4. Learn full PLL and get down to around 15 to 20 seconds 5. Learn full OLL and get to around 10-15 seconds, while still working on finger tricks, efficiency, lookahead etc. 6. Learn more advanced things like X cross and work on lookahead and other fundamentals. You’ll notice that memorizing F2L algs is nowhere on that list, and by the time you’ve mastered all six of the above phases, you’re doing solves in under 10s and can then decide whether to pursue other more esoteric skills like color neutrality, pseudo-slotting, and memorizing F2L algs. ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/14 "2021-07-02T23:28:13Z")
Sorry forgot to put the link [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3B\_oB2YrLvk](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3B_oB2YrLvk) I meant try that, that’s what I am working on I don’t mean 77 algorithms or double slotting or other complicated stuff I mean those easy short algorithms to split two pieces, how to take out corners, edges and set them up at the same time or how to put pairs in the bag slot ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/15 "2021-07-02T23:29:23Z")
That’s still kind of intuitive ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/16 "2021-07-02T23:35:36Z")
Yeah, I already know how to do all that pretty much. The slowest part of F2L for me is just finding each pair and then deciding which “case” it is. ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/17 "2021-07-02T23:39:20Z")
Exactly! That’s what I need tips for ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/18 "2021-07-02T23:41:51Z")
Because I thought beginner F2L is just split them intuitive set them up and then put them in that takes so long as Isaf I startet around a week ago I was still doing it super super beginner I wasn’t even putting them in the back slots a few days ago ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/19 "2021-07-02T23:43:48Z")
Yeah, I try not to rotate the cube at all during F2L. I don’t always succeed because I sometimes get lazy… ---
**Author:** ![LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ldtravel_yoyo06/32/121023_2.png) [@LDTravel\_yoyo06](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LDTravel_yoyo06)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/speedcubing-tips/340884/20 "2021-07-02T23:44:17Z")
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