# Side effects pull start **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [October 2, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094 "2024-10-02T16:42:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/1 "2024-10-02T16:42:52Z")
spikes or mini spikes for a pano? ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/2 "2024-10-02T16:43:45Z")
personally i have a hard time doing pull starts with the mini spikes, i have regular spikes on mine. ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/3 "2024-10-02T16:44:27Z")
Spikes are already borderline for me. ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/4 "2024-10-02T16:48:40Z")
> [@hsb](#): > > are already borderline ![1000000739](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/c/5/ec5920c67e6918ad2b40ffb63ee020b449893e4d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/5 "2024-10-02T16:56:42Z")
Basically, I can pull start with Spike SEs, but it requires a much more delicate touch than many other spike yo-yos. They just aren’t sharp enough to get a secure grip (for me). I think it is both the sharpness of the point and the angle of the shape itself. This hurts the power I can get from pull-starts (and consistency of matador tricks in general). So, between the two, Spikes are the one I would even bother to try. ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/6 "2024-10-02T17:19:10Z")
spikes are the way, mini spikes dont have enough spike to pull start with. ---
**Author:** ![Afkor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/afkor/32/608770_2.png) [@Afkor](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Afkor)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/7 "2024-10-02T18:56:35Z")
I’m curious for any titanium kiss owners, how are they for pull starts? ---
**Author:** ![Tomcat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tomcat/32/176343_2.png) [@Tomcat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tomcat)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/8 "2024-10-02T19:16:10Z")
Ti kisses are less sharp than regular spikes, imho. So at least I have a harder time to do pullstarts with them - but it is possible for sure! You just have to be even more sensitive with your grip. ![1000022100](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/7/7/f7714d1e9512cb9d6ba09f7ee9818fac082a802d.jpeg) ![1000022098](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/c/f/8cfb275d63db7347e745b4090a0b5aec56a501eb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Upmanyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e68b1a/32.png) [@Upmanyu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Upmanyu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/9 "2024-10-02T19:28:15Z")
I know you didnt mention em but pullstarts work great with ultralights as well! ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/10 "2024-10-02T19:29:30Z")
I think Ultralights are actually the second most pull-start-able SE. @Upmanyu beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/11 "2024-10-02T19:57:03Z")
Agreeing with the other ultralight enjoyers above me. My favorite part of ultralights is how great they are for pull starts. I like this significantly more than any kind of spike personally, the caveat is just you need some amount of fingernail to make ultralights really nice, if your fingernails are super short you might not like them. ---
**Author:** ![TheThrowingGnome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/thethrowinggnome/32/14231_2.png) [@TheThrowingGnome](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheThrowingGnome)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/12 "2024-10-02T20:05:50Z")
I have short fingernails and can pull start ultra lights no problem they just spin on the end of my finger. The nail never touches them. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/a/1/4a128d622595d15533f33035d788d71cd514afdc.jpeg "Ultra Light SE Fingerspin") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cubMA39uXCw) ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/13 "2024-10-02T20:07:44Z")
definitely harder, the blunt point makes it want to walk around on your finger. if you can kind of wedge it with your fingernail it helps. ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/14 "2024-10-02T20:09:05Z")
Oooh, I just assumed that your finger would stick. ULs really are the ultimate pull start side effect, apart from RSMs lol. ---
**Author:** ![Upmanyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e68b1a/32.png) [@Upmanyu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Upmanyu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/15 "2024-10-02T20:09:37Z")
Also they definitely leave an axle hole spaced mark on your nails haha. I like spikes coz you can do pull starts and then keep it as a matador fingerspin. ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/16 "2024-10-02T20:12:15Z")
It might be a benefit of my fingernail length but I can rotate and do all the typical matador stuff on ultralights. Ultralights kinda feel more forgiving for me because I can death grip them with my fingernails without feeling like I’m losing any extra spin. Where at least for me with spikes I feel like I need to find the right balance between having enough grip to not drop the yoyo, but not too much grip to stop the yoyo from spinning entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Upmanyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e68b1a/32.png) [@Upmanyu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Upmanyu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/17 "2024-10-02T20:26:57Z")
Yeah I can never fingerspin with ultralightes! Im jealous coz I sometimes dont prefer the extra weight spikes bring but oh well! ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/18 "2024-10-03T00:15:35Z")
thanks for the replies! never even thought to try on ul’s. can’t get it great so far but I’m gonna keep at it ---
**Author:** ![Sleeper80](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/sleeper80/32/257936_2.png) [@Sleeper80](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Sleeper80)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/side-effects-pull-start/411094/19 "2024-10-03T01:25:02Z")
i was thinking if i can grow my nails out into talons, i could do really legit talon grinds at the UL and the rim, lol.