# Should manufacturers find a way to distinguish B-grade throws? I’ve seen a suspicious number of “new” yo-yos for sale on eBay and other places after a B grade sale
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343
**Category:** General Yo-Yo
**Created:** [June 22, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343 "2019-06-22T16:07:24Z")
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### Author:  [@moby323](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/moby323)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/1 "2019-06-22T16:07:24Z")
A way for anyone to identify a particular yo-yo as a B-grade. I mean something simple, quick, and cheap and that can be done by hand by whoever packs the yo-yo. For example, etching a small dot or a star on the inside near the response pad. Something that isn’t visible outwardly but will distinguish it nonetheless.
I just think it might help to protect the community when so many of those yo-yos will end up being on the BST (multiple times in some cases) and perhaps misrepresented. Also, I’ve noticed a suspicious number of “new” yo-yos for sale on eBay (sometimes Amazon too) after a large B grade sale. I’m not saying someone is out there buying B-grades just to turn around and make a $20 profit, but I do think there are unscrupulous people who buy one to try, don’t like it, and think “Hey I can sell this as a new A-grade and make my money back and maybe even a few bucks extra.”
I know that some companies might say “Well if you want a guaranteed A grade then you should buy it directly from us or a reputable dealer.” And that is true, but I think we also need to consider that the reason a lot of us buy so many yo-yos is BECAUSE of the robust BST market. We pull the trigger on a purchase because we know that if it isn’t perfect for us it’s ok, we won’t lose all of our money, we can swap it for something else. And I can tell you that I for one have been burned on a trade like that.
And lastly some of you may say “Well if people want to be dishonest they will be dishonest, they will sell an old yo-yo as a new one or a counterfeit as a real one etc.” And that is true, but we can’t really prevent that. But we can prevent this. Some sort of small indicator so that a B grades cannot be falsely misrepresented as an A grades.
What do you guys think?
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/2 "2019-06-22T16:17:35Z")
Lots of them already do. A “b grade” stamp on YYF, “fools gold” on CLYW, SPYY had “star grade”… I’m sure there are others I’m missing. That being said, I’d don’t know if all of the YYF or CLYW b grade/fools gold yoyos have the markings.
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### Author:  [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/3 "2019-06-22T16:19:09Z")
Clyw always did pickaxes back in the day to distinguish b grades. Do they still do that?
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/4 "2019-06-22T16:20:53Z")
I believe so. They’ve printed “fools gold” and done the pickaxes.
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### Author:  [@shatterFX](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/shatterFX)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/5 "2019-06-22T16:21:45Z")
YYF has a B grade etch on the rim usually, though there wasn’t one on the b grade delrin wedge I bought
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### Author:  [@moby323](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/moby323)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/6 "2019-06-22T16:22:09Z")
There was not one on the one I bought
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### Author:  [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/7 "2019-06-22T16:27:47Z")
How do you know it’s a b grade then? It’s probably an A grade that just developed vibe.
Almost every companies b grades have some sort of b grade stamp or something clearly distinguishable from A grades
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### Author:  [@moby323](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/moby323)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/8 "2019-06-22T16:28:50Z")
I bought it “new” as a B grade, this isn’t the one I was talking about earlier.
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### Author:  [@Cannon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Cannon)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/9 "2019-06-22T16:30:28Z")
I think I’ve seen a few cases where b-grades dont get the laser engraving that all the a-grades get. For example a yoyo named potato would always have a potato on it unless its b-grade.
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### Author:  [@witchgrinder](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/witchgrinder)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/10 "2019-06-22T16:31:00Z")
It’s super hard to see but there is a b grade mark on the wedge.
Had to use a marker to show on my camera phone.
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### Author:  [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/11 "2019-06-22T17:15:30Z")
One Drop uses the “NQP” (not quite perfect) engraving.
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### Author:  [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/12 "2019-06-22T17:23:29Z")
I remember years ago; Ray from Monkeyfinger; used to engrave ‘Spilt Milk’ on the rims of the ‘funny ones’.
And you sure could not miss that.
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### Author:  [@AndreBoulay](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AndreBoulay)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/13 "2019-06-22T17:29:25Z")
Is there a specific company you are referring to that sells B-Grades without a mark?
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### Author:  [@moby323](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/moby323)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/14 "2019-06-22T17:43:06Z")
No, to be honest it seems I am uninformed because based on these replies it seems multiple companies do try to distinguish them.
I’ve bought one B grade before from YYF and it did not have a marking so I didn’t know they did mark some of them, but I guess that the one I bought was an exception to the rule.
That said, if the top companies are all going to sell B grades then maybe there could be a uniform marking, maybe they could agree on one. Because, for example, I would never have realized that the pickaxe on the CLYW means it’s B grade
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### Author:  [@WretchedRapture](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/WretchedRapture)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/15 "2019-06-22T17:44:11Z")
This is unusual, but I own a Fool’s Gold Igloo with standard Igloo engravings. No pickaxe engravings like all of my other FGs. I thought that was super weird as soon as I took it out of the box. It’s dead smooth and the ano looks near perfect to me. It’s a Night Fishing colorway (aqua with black speckle), and there’s one black dot that’s a little smudged. Otherwise, I’d be convinced that they sent me a new one by accident. lol.
So if you ever see me selling a Night Fishing Igloo on the forum as new, just know that I’m lying to you. Mwuahahaha.
…of course this is joke. I would never sell my Igloo. 😝
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### Author:  [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/16 "2019-06-22T17:50:29Z")
> [@moby323](#):
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> Because, for example, I would never have realized that the pickaxe on the CLYW means it’s B grade
Well, if the CLYW is bought directly from them it’s stated on the site that the pickaxe is a “b grade” or defective product. The only time you may run into trouble is if you bought it second hand and the seller didn’t specify what the pickaxe meant. There really isn’t a solution to this as it’s always gonna be on the seller to disclose details. I mean all yoyo manufacturers could stamp “defective” on their products but I don’t think they’d want to do that.
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### Author:  [@The\_Machinist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Machinist)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/17 "2019-06-22T17:58:00Z")
We did when we had a laser, haven’t in awhile though. Working on a new method though…
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### Author:  [@AndreBoulay](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AndreBoulay)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/18 "2019-06-22T18:15:20Z")
> [@moby323](#):
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> That said, if the top companies are all going to sell B grades then maybe there could be a uniform marking, maybe they could agree on one. Because, for example, I would never have realized that the pickaxe on the CLYW means it’s B grade
YoYoFactory has a very much ‘branded’ mark they have always used (and was the first company to brand b-grades as b-grades as far as I can remember).
> **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)**
>
> YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end...
But honestly it is something they branded as such and have owned that branding - logo, etc. So I’m not sure a uniform mark would make sense across all brands… And not everyone sell’s b-grades (and they all have their own clever names too which is part of the fun!) 😊
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### Author:  [@doug77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/doug77)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/should-manufacturers-find-a-way-to-distinguish-b-grade-throws-i-ve-seen-a-suspicious-number-of-new-yo-yos-for-sale-on-ebay-and-other-places-after-a-b-grade-sale/304343/19 "2019-06-22T22:01:14Z")
A lot of the yyf yoyos they sold in their sale were a grade dead stock