# Shims and Silicone **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance\ **Created:** [July 5, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939 "2009-07-05T19:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/1 "2009-07-05T19:56:36Z")
Should I buy shims for a Dark Magic? I want the yo-yo to be unresponsive. And should I replace O-rings with silicone? ---
**Author:** ![DaShiznit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dashiznit/32/62_2.png) [@DaShiznit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DaShiznit)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/2 "2009-07-05T20:01:34Z")
I think you should buy shims. It will make the gap wider and most likely make your yo-yo unresponsive. As for the silicone, I like it. I siliconed my Hybrid Hitman and I liked the way it played. Unresponsive and tight binds. But, if you don’t like it, it can be a pain to get out. I recommend getting AnY o-pads. They are great and last almost forever. Here is a link: [http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16367&cat=257&page=1](http://www.yoyonation.com/product.php?productid=16367&cat=257&page=1) ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/3 "2009-07-05T20:18:20Z")
Alright thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/4 "2009-07-05T22:28:27Z")
Well the Dark Magic is plenty unresponsive, but it does have somewhat of a small gap so shims would be helpful. You can silicone it if you want, but try it out with the o-ring first and then later you can try the silicone. ---
**Author:** ![EvanB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@EvanB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanB)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/5 "2009-07-06T15:54:42Z")
Dark Magic + 1 red 1 gray shim + Flowable Silicone + Pink string = Samad (Awesome) ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/6 "2009-07-06T17:02:00Z")
> [@Evan](#): > > Dark Magic + 1 red 1 gray shim + Flowable Silicone + Pink string = Samad (Awesome) Yep! That’s how I set up my old DM, and it was AMAZING. ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/7 "2009-07-06T18:01:50Z")
I think I ordered two red shims. :-\ ---
**Author:** ![EvanB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90ced4/32.png) [@EvanB](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EvanB)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/8 "2009-07-06T18:25:40Z")
> [@Mattsk8nike](#): > > I think I ordered two red shims. :-\ Meh whatever. Still extremely awesome. I actually have mine set up like the now… But 1 shim (Red) and purple string :P. Same with my BKs. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/9 "2009-07-06T18:32:39Z")
I play my DM stock. I find that wide gap=more vibe… This may be just my weirdness in action though ---
**Author:** ![titanium221](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/titanium221/32/174_2.png) [@titanium221](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/titanium221)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/10 "2009-07-06T18:59:45Z")
I just pop a koncave (cleaned) in there and its amazing and unresponsive. ---
**Author:** ![YoJames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5ac83/32.png) [@YoJames](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoJames)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/11 "2009-07-07T18:42:38Z")
if you just get a konkave bearing it will be unresponsive but if you do that and add silicone or shims you will have to do a triple or double bind return ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/12 "2009-07-07T18:44:56Z")
Andre used a KonKave in his videos to make it un-responsive. ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/13 "2009-07-07T18:46:56Z")
> [@Spencer\_L](#): > > Andre used a KonKave in his videos to make it un-responsive. He never did that. He uses KKs to increase the overall smoothness. The Dark Magic is unresponsive with a broken in bearing. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/14 "2009-07-07T18:52:34Z")
I PM’d Andre a while back while you were gone. He said he used a KonKave to make it un-responsive, because I asked how’d you get it to be un-responsive with Hybrid response? ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/15 "2009-07-07T18:53:40Z")
So i’m good with a stock bearing? ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/16 "2009-07-07T18:57:05Z")
As long as it spins, yes. ---
**Author:** ![mattsk8nike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattsk8nike/32/213_2.png) [@mattsk8nike](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mattsk8nike)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/17 "2009-07-07T18:59:15Z")
Will it be unresponsive? ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/18 "2009-07-07T19:18:31Z")
It should be. Spencer, did you ask how you can get a hybrid unresponsive? Dark Magic is hybrid and very few complain about that being responsive…Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/19 "2009-07-07T19:19:37Z")
> [@Mattsk8nike](#): > > Will it be unresponsive? Once you break it in, yes. However, it may be unresponsive out of the box, because newer YoYoJam’s have been known to be unresponsive out of the box sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Spencer\_L](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/spencer_l/32/180_2.png) [@Spencer\_L](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Spencer_L)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939/20 "2009-07-07T19:19:54Z")
No. I made a statement on how Andre got his DM un-responsive with Hybrid. He responded with a KK bearing. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/shims-and-silicone/3939.md?page=2)