# Sengoku Shinobi in production **URL:** \ **Category:** Manufacturer Official News\ **Created:** [July 13, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548 "2021-07-13T01:27:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yoyodoc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyodoc/32/48820_2.png) [@yoyodoc](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodoc)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/21 "2021-08-25T05:53:21Z")
I think it looks horrible. Prolly sleeps for 10 seconds on a good throw. Pretty darn ugly too. Before you clowns make the biggest mistakes of your yo-yo purchasing lives, I am willing to buy the ENTIRE run of these rejects. > Just to save you guys from buyers remorse. I’m that nice. They are all B grades anyways but only because of the: ano flaws, vibe, wobble and loose rings. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/22 "2021-08-25T06:11:58Z")
You got me! Entire run sold to yoyodoc!! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![takmasidai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/58f4c7/32.png) [@takmasidai](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/takmasidai)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/23 "2021-08-25T06:47:07Z")
They’re beautiful. Can’t wait to ding one of them myself ---
**Author:** ![hobby\_master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobby_master/32/145533_2.png) [@hobby\_master](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobby_master)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/24 "2021-08-25T08:07:52Z")
Well said The question is… black or purple?! ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/25 "2021-08-25T11:45:51Z")
Good question, ![240541857_323557946228258_8085322603638567557_n](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/6/d/56d89e485c7bfb6c3300a1d86f7cc173fb7be0dd.jpeg) ![240553545_196095595843586_3123568232471255371_n](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/c/7/0c76af810a30224dd2b648f1e56099671031d1ca.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![hobby\_master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobby_master/32/145533_2.png) [@hobby\_master](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobby_master)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/26 "2021-08-25T12:44:13Z")
I’m usually a fan of purple yoyos… but that black looks crisp with those dual metals ---
**Author:** ![Chickenpoodlesoup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/chickenpoodlesoup/32/125846_2.png) [@Chickenpoodlesoup](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Chickenpoodlesoup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/27 "2021-08-25T12:49:09Z")
the raw version is just fire. Can’t wait to get my hands on one. I’ve never had the pleasure of using a throw that looks like this, the M shape I guess it’s called. Can’t wait to try something genuinely new (to me) ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/28 "2021-08-25T16:37:21Z")
I really like all four of the solid colorways. I can’t decide which one to get! ---
**Author:** ![Theycallmecotton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theycallmecotton/32/253526_2.png) [@Theycallmecotton](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theycallmecotton)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/29 "2021-08-25T16:39:17Z")
Can’t wait for this!!! ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/30 "2021-08-25T16:47:29Z")
So will this yoyo be sold anywhere else? I might get the red one immediately because it is a YYE exclusive (presumably) and won’t be available anywhere else. But if I like the Shinobi enough to want it in other color(s) and they are sold out here, where else might I look for it? ---
**Author:** ![Mep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mep/32/79842_2.png) [@Mep](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mep)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/31 "2021-08-25T17:37:40Z")
It’s so refreshing to see something truly creative come out of yoyo design. Interested to hear your thoughts on what this improves on over the tried-and-tired V shape? And in exchange what it gives up, if any? ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/32 "2021-08-25T18:00:58Z")
I believe that discussion began when the Samurai came out in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Mep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mep/32/79842_2.png) [@Mep](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mep)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/33 "2021-08-25T18:40:42Z")
That’s a good point, I suppose I wasn’t really following yoyos closely then. What did I miss? Is it supposed to be a more maneuverable version of a V shaped yoyo? It also looks like it would be so much harder to get A grades that are perfectly smooth with this design. I wonder if that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/34 "2021-08-25T23:22:08Z")
“So will this yoyo be sold anywhere else?” I think YYE will have enough stock. Besides YYE eclusive color, you will find it in the usual other shops that carry Sengoku. I can´t tell exactly where because is against the forum rules. But I think is safe to say that only in Japan you can find Sengoku stuff when YYE is out of stock. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/35 "2021-08-25T23:33:43Z")
> [@Mep](#): > > It’s so refreshing to see something truly creative come out of yoyo design. Interested to hear your thoughts on what this improves on over the tried-and-tired V shape? And in exchange what it gives up, if any? As zslane said, there is plenty of comments about it since the Samurai came out with the M shape. There might be other yoyos with a shape that ressemble M, but it was mostly for cosmetic reasons, I assume this since nobody mentioned anything about M shape before the Samurai was released, the idea of the M shape is to allocate the rim weight in a lower position than the peak diameter to create a different physics (like when you make an “M” with a cardboard and put a coin on each edge, you can balance it perfectly when put the center on the tip of your finger). Everyone that tried the Samurai agreed that the feeling is quite different than any other yoyo. That being said, the Shinobi is not a Samurai tri-metal. The specs and weight distribution are different enough to be a different yoyo. It retains the crazy stability at low RPM and the “M shape feeling”, but thats it, it plays different, weights the same, but feels heavier, the extra ring gives it more power and different maneuverability. I was so satisfied with the Shogun that despite being an experiment in unknown waters, it was promising, so I decided to explore the shape deeper and im sure it won´t be the last, since unlike the Organic shape, it rivals the V shape for competition performance. ---
**Author:** ![NeoHamster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/neohamster/32/1550_2.png) [@NeoHamster](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NeoHamster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/36 "2021-08-25T23:39:34Z")
> [@Mep](#): > > That’s a good point, I suppose I wasn’t really following yoyos closely then. What did I miss? Is it supposed to be a more maneuverable version of a V shaped yoyo? > > It also looks like it would be so much harder to get A grades that are perfectly smooth with this design. I wonder if that’s true. it is indeed more maneuverable than V shape. It has a small con that is not an issue for a player beyond intermediate, which is the catch zone is smaller than the V shape, unless the overall widht is increased. But is more comfortable in the hand and won´t hurt on strong catches. About A grades, is actually the opposite, because of the shape is much easier to balance the yoyo. Specially with 4 rings, it is a nightmare to make smooth tri-metals, but not in this case, for a yoyo with 4 rings, the smoothness level is pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/37 "2021-08-26T00:50:18Z")
While I always support innovative shapes and materials, I found the Samurai a bit of a performance disappointment. The whole concept of the ‘M’ shape eludes me. Physics says that the larger the diameter of the ring, the greater the angular momentum. So why make the outer-rim diameter smaller? Additionally; as you mentioned, the ‘M’ shape makes the catch-zone smaller than a traditional V-shape would allow on the same width and diameter. So why is the M-shape better? ---
**Author:** ![Mep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mep/32/79842_2.png) [@Mep](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mep)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/38 "2021-08-26T01:49:52Z")
Thanks for sharing your thoughts @NeoHamster. Very interesting that the design actually helps with smoothness even with 4 rings. I think the width is down to personal preference. Lots of competitions are won with narrower yoyos, which probably have the same catch zone once you factor in the wider width. I like the M-shaped cardboard analogy. I can imagine it being much easier to tilt correct than a V-shaped yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nightshadow/32/1574_2.png) [@nightshadow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nightshadow)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/39 "2021-08-26T03:23:50Z")
> [@YoyoGeezer](#): > > I found the Samurai a bit of a performance disappointment We’re all different yoyoers with different ideas, one yo-yo will appeal to some, and not to others. And that’s totally cool! But, I’m going to respectfully disagree with you on that one. It’s one of the few yoyos I’ve played with that I could land this entire combo on in one throw. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/7/8/f780c0f4eec3ed096cbc6c88a09e66757d9e052e.jpeg "IMG 8154") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6Ovu06mEM) Granted, there are people who probably could’ve done that combo on an undersized organic, such is their skill level. There are many yoyoers FAR greater than I’ll ever be. But for me, I’ve never found the Samurai to disappoint. What is your skill level? Are you more of a collector or a thrower? (Or both? 😁) I don’t want to make anyone feel at all uncomfortable or anything, but if you feel comfortable showing your throwing, I’d be interested in seeing where the Samurai struggled in your repertoire. At least for me personally, I’ve found many yoyos to shine when they are pushed in their capabilities. Small side note: in the interest of transparency, I do work with Sengoku. But I ALWAYS keep the idea of being unbiased upmost in my mind when discussing yoyos with the community. Especially in cases like this. I do believe that I would think the same way about the samurai if another company had made it. Anyway, just my two cents. Certainly not the only valid point of view by any means :+1: ---
**Author:** ![Theycallmecotton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theycallmecotton/32/253526_2.png) [@Theycallmecotton](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Theycallmecotton)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/sengoku-shinobi-in-production/341548/40 "2021-08-26T03:42:29Z")
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