# Scam Report (Updated) - Elizabeth, Metodick33, avalanjche, Forza **URL:** \ **Category:** Traders Feedback\ **Created:** [April 27, 2026, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586 "2026-04-27T18:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Abyss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_abyss/32/704667_2.png) [@The\_Abyss](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Abyss)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/21 "2026-04-27T20:15:25Z")
This is an insanely unlikely set of circumstances. This hobby feels antiscam compared to literally every other hobby, but they’ll all have rheir bad apples. I’d say try to find people with a presence, and honestly if you wanna be shameless you can try just messaging a bunch of people if you really want it. The best thing to do moving forward would probably be to create a forum looking for it, unlike a bunch of niche stuff I think you’ll have an easier time finding one as people LOVE CLYW and G2 unlike anything else around here. They will treat them as something to be collected/traded over playing (I may be wrong) ---
**Author:** ![mkmavvl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkmavvl/32/196606_2.png) [@mkmavvl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mkmavvl)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/22 "2026-04-27T20:39:44Z")
Even with well-known people, G&S all the way. I’ve already been ghosted/silent by the main creator of the biggest BST & Talk yoyo on Facebook. After a few months, he went back there as if nothing had happened. And yes, he still hasn’t an explanation or responded. And it didn’t just happen to me; he did it to other people I know. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/23 "2026-04-27T21:14:41Z")
Without setting up a market place like eBay with protections for just yo-yos I don’t see a better way than what exists now and the transaction fees needed to make it work for something built to purpose for the community without the scale of an eBay will be more than just using eBay to cover its self ---
**Author:** ![Wildo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/wildo/32/668485_2.png) [@Wildo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Wildo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/24 "2026-04-27T22:04:03Z")
I had some similar unpleasant experiences with FB bst threads. I recently kinda unplugged from most social media, fb, ig, and whatnot. Here’s good for me. 😁 Also, as far as monitoring goes? I feel like yye does a pretty good job keeping scammers out of the forums. Of course it’s never gonna be absolute, but I’ve always felt like they’re on top of it. From watchin certain ip’s, countries, and previous associated accounts. I feel a lot safer dealing with people here. As far as g&s vs fandf? If ya take g&s PayPal WILL invoice ya. I mean, I’ll ask people to pay me fandf, but if they don’t feel good about it, I can understand. I’d just rather not eat the fees is all 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![LinksLegionaire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/linkslegionaire/32/886_2.png) [@LinksLegionaire](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/LinksLegionaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/25 "2026-04-27T22:07:35Z")
Old YYE had a good rating system for BSTing. Now we have to do convoluted Feedback Threads. RE: F&F, I don’t mind choosing that option, but if I’m buying from someone with no/few trades, I request them ship first. Once I receive the yoyo, I’ll send the money - at least, that used to be much more commonplace. And it really only works if one person has a significant amount of feedback. ---
**Author:** ![mkmavvl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkmavvl/32/196606_2.png) [@mkmavvl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mkmavvl)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/26 "2026-04-27T22:17:43Z")
I always ask for a “discount” on a purchase, as I usually buy more than one item from a listing. If it’s just one, I see if the person can match the asking price, but also cover the G&S fees. If it’s a yo-yo that I really want, I cover the G&S fees, and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/27 "2026-04-27T23:00:23Z")
Any seller asking for F&F payment should be suspect. Is 3% really that much? That is $3 on a $100 purchase. Be smart, tell them you will pay the 3% and send it (price + (price \* 0.03)) G&S. If they are scammers and no yo-yo is forthcoming, the money will come from their account and PayPal will put their account on probation. Scammers are asking F&F hoping that PayPal never learns of their abuse of the platform. By paying for G&S you protect yourself as well as alert PayPal to this fraudulent behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Tempura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tempura/32/246135_2.png) [@Tempura](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Tempura)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2026, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/28 "2026-04-27T23:38:41Z")
Same thing happened to me. I even made a post about it that was approved by Skip but didn’t get any interaction. Definitely something shady going on there, I wonder if Facebook allows group admins to limit viability. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Abyss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_abyss/32/704667_2.png) [@The\_Abyss](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Abyss)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/29 "2026-04-28T01:15:27Z")
imo it should really be the person who buys it who should cover G&S. 3% is very little especially since no one here is getting taxed the 13% here, like you would going to a store in Canada for example. I usually cover the G&S but sometimes I don’t, not that I want to skimp out but because I really really have severe ADHD. I can and will forget out of carelessness. I call my ADHD a superpower. ---
**Author:** ![Maelstrom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/maelstrom/32/644737_2.png) [@Maelstrom](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Maelstrom)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/30 "2026-04-28T01:28:35Z")
No matter the person, never ever pay f&f. I’ve seen a thread on someone who had really good rep, came back a couple months later, then scammed a bunch of people ‘selling’ yoyos they had already sold ages ago Any money you ever put into f&f for reasons like international shipping or middle man deals should be considered gone to the risk. ---
**Author:** ![SoInLove](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/soinlove/32/700156_2.png) [@SoInLove](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SoInLove)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/31 "2026-04-28T01:30:14Z")
for such a close-knit community, getting scammed by randos seems kinda prevalent if you go off the context of this thread ---
**Author:** ![mkmavvl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mkmavvl/32/196606_2.png) [@mkmavvl](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mkmavvl)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/32 "2026-04-28T01:37:51Z")
Note: He sold me an 888 Ti, I think it was $200 at the time. And yes, I was seriously ghosted by Connor Vranizan. It basically took me 2 months to get my money back through PayPal support. I’m naming names because I’ve seen that he’s done this to several people, and he’s the creator of BST & Talk on Facebook. Regarding limiting who can see it, I don’t doubt that option exists. The only reason I have Facebook is for BST and random memes about topics that interest me, that’s all. Apart from that, I wouldn’t even have it. ---
**Author:** ![flyfish](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/flyfish/32/673880_2.png) [@flyfish](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/flyfish)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/33 "2026-04-28T01:55:01Z")
Thanks for bringing attention to this so others can be on the lookout. It sucks because I’ve found this to be such an open and welcoming community. I basically created a new account and members sold me some of my most prized throws when I had no rep. Hope you’re able to get a satisfactory resolution on your end. ---
**Author:** ![jhb8426](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jhb8426/32/631_2.png) [@jhb8426](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jhb8426)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/34 "2026-04-28T02:55:22Z")
> [@The\_Abyss](#): > > imo it should really be the person who buys it who should cover G&S. Ehh, as a generalized, across the board statement - I disagree. It’s like credit card fees, some businesses consider it a cost of doing business and cover it in their costs/pricing. Others tack it on as a billable item. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Abyss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/the_abyss/32/704667_2.png) [@The\_Abyss](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/The_Abyss)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/35 "2026-04-28T04:19:05Z")
Thats pretty fair honestly, I never thought about that ---
**Author:** ![Bigjeezus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bigjeezus/32/683192_2.png) [@Bigjeezus](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Bigjeezus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/36 "2026-04-28T11:28:22Z")
This person tried to sell me throws as well. Her & @Metodick33 are scammers and I would avoid those two and anyone associated. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/37 "2026-04-28T13:57:18Z")
Yeah it depends on how you look at it. Either it’s a seller creating credibility because they don’t have a reputation so offering to cover g&s fees adds some comfort on the transaction or it’s the buyer taking out insurance to ensure they get what they paid for either way it’s a personal risk/reward assessment It’s kind of like buying a house depending on the market you may get the seller to cover repairs and inspection but if the property is heavily sought after the buyer may have to take it as is or pay a premium to get what they want and all the assurances they need. (Regardless if you find yourself buy/building a home please pay a licensed independent inspector) ---
**Author:** ![nappyrat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/nappyrat/32/162747_2.png) [@nappyrat](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/nappyrat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/38 "2026-04-28T14:42:46Z")
ive had several instances where the buyer ended up sending the F&F price as G&S and it’s not really even worth the hassle to correct it. I just let them know for future reference and eat the cost ---
**Author:** ![ethanhalli385](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f14d63/32.png) [@ethanhalli385](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ethanhalli385)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/39 "2026-04-28T15:51:30Z")
Wow that sucks. I almost bought from him/her but they said that their paypal goods and services wasn’t working. I asked if they would do the venmo g&s option and got no response :joy: If they have no feedback never send money for friends and family. ---
**Author:** ![Shoe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/shoe/32/704236_2.png) [@Shoe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Shoe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2026, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586/40 "2026-04-29T00:43:18Z")
Ya I got burned by her before as well as @Metodick33 watch out for these 2 [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/scam-report-updated-elizabeth-metodick33-avalanjche-forza/444586.md?page=3)