# Riforgiate Design - Prototype Run **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [December 20, 2024, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518 "2024-12-20T09:18:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/182 "2025-06-05T20:53:21Z")
No ideas yet, but the idea of you homespinning something up with Spinworthy is a cool one. My jam. My ideas do tend to be horrible to turn though. A local military facility couldn’t even spin up a working flying Lemon.😅 ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/183 "2025-06-05T21:08:40Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > My ideas do tend to be horrible to turn I love a challenge. Feel free to toss weird stuff at me. It’s always fun to look at oddball stuff. > [@anon5341354](#): > > couldn’t even spin up a working flying Lemon Taking a look, that design doesn’t seem too crazy to me? What was the issue? ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/184 "2025-06-05T21:21:06Z")
They had difficulty turning the bearing seat and lip cleanly. The bearing didnt spin when installed. A tooling issue. I figured it was going to be easy for thwm to make but I was wrong. I couldnt even enter the facility to help them troubleshoot it. Its off limits to civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/185 "2025-06-06T12:22:10Z")
I’ll be honest my experience with military US, UK and AU is that the equipment may be military grade but that just means lowest bidder. I’m not surprised if they had troubles vs a more specialized shop… ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/186 "2025-06-06T17:15:45Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > turning the bearing seat and lip Definitely one of the more… interesting tolerance bands for sure. It gave me some trouble when I was cutting the first designs. I also often have to make minor tweaks to the designs clients send me to make them fit my tools and be sure everything works right. > [@Captrogers](#): > > military grade but that just means lowest bidder I typically think of it as “minimum standard” more than “lowest bidder,” but I deal with mil-spec and the resulting military grade stuff more for process and finish requirements than anything. > [@Captrogers](#): > > troubles vs a more specialized shop Personally I think any shop should be able to interpret and meet job tolerances pretty well, no matter what they do normally … One thing I _have_ noticed is that a lot of designers aren’t sure how to identify or communicate certain tolerances. It’s not a bad thing, necessarily, it’s just a skill that’s specific to certain industries that a lot of people don’t think about. I’m sure I’ll get around to making a post about it at some point :joy: ---
**Author:** ![Veedo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/veedo/32/242414_2.png) [@Veedo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Veedo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/187 "2025-06-06T20:18:42Z")
Someone once told me that nobody should have access to military grade firearms. I responded: “Oh, mine are much better than military grade”. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/188 "2025-06-07T04:06:25Z")
Its pretty easy to communicate. Just make sure the CAD export you send them is dead accurate. All they need to do is turn it exactly as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/189 "2025-06-07T08:00:36Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > make sure the CAD export you send them is dead accurate I mean always a good guideline. One thing I notice is that some people will include all design features in their base drawings and some will rely on modeled features for stuff like filets and chamfers. When I get sent a DXF, it’s important that all expected features exist inside it. I usually ask for a solid model as a backup just in case so I can double check. > [@anon5341354](#): > > All they need to do is turn it exactly as it is Unfortunately this is functionally impossible. Even a CNC machine isn’t 100% accurate. For example my bearing posts generally wander inside of a roughly 0.001in window, ±0.0005in from the theoretical perfect defined in the program. There’s not really anything I can do about that variance, it just kinda _is_, you know? Different machines will have different levels of repeatable precision. Obviously that doesn’t excuse a shop for not having brains between ears when it comes to understanding the kinematic endpoint of the design, but it’s a factor. Benefit of actually having experience cutting yoyos is that I know what the tolerances should be and where to aim my cuts to have things come out working right. I’ll write this up better at some point, but to a certain extent the design itself has to account for machine error. The designer should also make clear to the fabricator what sort of boundary conditions exist. The closer you get with your stipulations to ±0 from the design, the higher the price goes and the harder it is to find someone to cut your stuff. > [@anon5341354](#): > > pretty easy to communicate This is absolutely true, though. I do my best and I’m told my communication is pretty good 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/190 "2025-06-07T13:25:17Z")
Yep the big thing is for the shop to communicate the machining tolerances. No machine can get perfect dimensional accuracy and usually the design needs to accommodate a certain amount of tolerance difference to be successful. 3d printing is similar. Sure I can calibrate the machine get it damn near perfect but there are so many variables I can’t manage that can impact the outcome and result in a slightly different outcome. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/191 "2025-06-09T17:48:42Z")
I’m curious why a dxf if those are usually 2d. Do you normally take just the profile dxf? Is that because it’s being turned so you don’t need the 3d you need to know where to cut on a known diameter circle? I’m curious because I’ve got an idea stuck in my brain that is going to take machined plastic and I’m used to 3d printing only, doing some research. ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/192 "2025-06-12T01:19:06Z")
> [@AudreySickburn](#): > > why a dxf if those are usually 2d Kinda depends. I use 3D solids alongside the DXFs. I can work with either one, but the DXF is a good standard to get. On a base level, all the 3D models I work with are based on DXF-like sketches anyway. If I get a solid model, I’m creating a sketch slice to get it back into a 2D sketch for analysis anyway. ![Origin Sketch - No Dimensions](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/4/7/a47ad1b792a4413b15241fdda2f33d182094b168.png) Of course when I’m doing the designing they’re a bit… messier. Solidworks defines shapes by using dimension and parametric callouts, and when there’s a ton of them it gets hard to parse without zooming in right to where the dimension was placed :joy: ![Origin Sketch](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/c/1/4c19d8491d16d1b2538b574f13c7fef386119c53.png) In any case, I use that base sketch to create my solid model. In the case of something like this, I’m doing a sketch revolution. Essentially spinning the sketch around the axis of rotation to enclose volume and thereby create a 3D solid. ![Sketch Revolve](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/3/9/a/39a26c0a51cce339cae298b7bdf321311227d2c8.png) ![Revolve - Sketch Shadow](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/2/9/129f21f69d8d52a11596da0692c2c8b18d1691cd.png) > [@AudreySickburn](#): > > you don’t need the 3d you need to know where to cut After I pull the solid into Esprit, I also import an altered version of the base sketch in the form of a DXF. A lot of the tools used for more automated feature creation don’t give me certain features I want to see for building tool paths. For example, these two lines that kinda turns the cup into simple cylinder are used to define the profile for the tool that roughs out the cup itself. It can’t get into the undercut and it doesn’t have the geometry to make any sort of feature below a flat face. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/d/0/0/d00e64466c051d46cd7b4c872b618386aa8d8361.png) You’ll also see odd tails and things that look slightly out of place, which are likewise used to give myself feature geometry that wouldn’t exist otherwise. The only downside to using a DXF is that it often doesn’t show features included after the generation of the solid form. So like using solid modeling features to generate things like chamfers and fillets. You can see what that looks like overlayed on top of the 3D model here ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/4/9/6/496c68de9d98d2a1fbeca9d2fcfd55d8b42c4ec2.jpeg) Everything highlighted in blue is a feature recognized and defined for the purpose of creating toolpaths. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/8/7/5870db65e3f4515a3d69ee7e3c9e11166d4480ca.png) Toolpaths can look kinda messy, too. Red lines are feed lines, meaning a dictated rate of movement, typically measured in feed/rev (remember the encoder issue?) and the green dashed lines are “rapids,” where the machine is just told “move as fast as you can.” ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/5/4/654c1452b60944d32dba46d35ad00cb33d52eda1.png) ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/193 "2025-06-12T01:50:17Z")
Thank you! Very informative ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/194 "2025-06-12T07:12:52Z")
Any time! I love questions like these. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/195 "2025-06-12T13:34:14Z")
It looks like I should get serious about profile design and actually draw some if I’m going to send a design out to a machine shop. I usually look at fusion 360 like digital clay and just use like chamfer, extrude, shell, etc to manipulate a shape into the yoyo I want. I’ve done one or two profile revolved into a shape designs but by and large I ignore all the actual cad in my cad software lol. ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/196 "2025-06-12T16:56:25Z")
At least with the tools available to _me_ that’s not an impediment. If you can get me a .STEP file, I can create a dxf on the fly pretty easy. I’d be happy to spit them out for you if you ever wanted. I should also point out that for the large majority of turning work pieces I don’t really need a dxf. I’ll sketch bespoke geometry if and when it’s needed. I’ve just noticed that yoyos tend to need a lot more handholding ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ ---
**Author:** ![megachicken289](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/megachicken289/32/260130_2.png) [@megachicken289](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/megachicken289)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/197 "2025-06-12T18:45:26Z")
> [@AudreySickburn](#): > > I ignore all the actual cad in my cad software ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/e/e/0eec76684c82566d2f9babea5f0883dc5bc70910.jpeg) Divining the perfect meme for this line since I first saw it. A lot of effort went into this 💩post ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/198 "2025-06-12T19:14:14Z")
This is literally me. ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/199 "2025-06-12T19:25:30Z")
> [@AudreySickburn](#): > > profile design Actually thinking a little harder on this, some of your profiles wouldn’t really suit a DXF anyway. Anything not circular or that has milled features is gonna require a solid model or at least DXF’s of every possible view/machining setup. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/200 "2025-06-12T19:27:31Z")
Oh I was just talking about communication. The burden to turn it exactly as the file is the machinist’s department. ---
**Author:** ![Lotaxi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lotaxi/32/597486_2.png) [@Lotaxi](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lotaxi)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518/201 "2025-06-12T19:29:41Z")
> [@anon5341354](#): > > I was just talking about communication I’m pretty good at that part of things XD Feel free to reach out in DM’s if you want me to look over anything! [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/riforgiate-design-prototype-run/415518.md?page=11)