# Returning to Yo-yos; need recommendation! **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [December 16, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389 "2014-12-16T19:33:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/1 "2014-12-16T19:33:53Z")
I use to yoyo all the time when I was a kid and for one reason or the other I got out of it. I just bought a Duncan Pro Z on a whim the other day and my interest has been renewed. I bought the Duncan Pro Z because it boasted being two yo-yos in one with the ability to add the spacers. Well it does not really live up to the promise, what I found is it can either be a looping yoyo that is not very responsive, or a string trick yoyo that is not that unresponsive… So I am looking for a (or a few) good starter yoyos to learn on and came across this bundle from [■■■■■■■■■■.com](http://yoyotricks.com). > **[Buy the First 50 Yoyo Tricks Pack | Buy Now on ■■■■■■■■■■.com](https://yoyotricks.com/shop/first-50-yoyo-tricks-pack/)** > > The First 50 Yoyo Tricks Pack comes the Sage Yoyo and 2 Oracle Yoyos, along with strings, thick and thin yoyo lube, to make the First 50 Yoyo Tricks easy. Is this a good buy for someone just starting out? Will it last me a good while or should I think about buying one really good yoyo now instead of multiple “starter” yoyos that I will out grow if I get good? If that is not a good buy, do you have any advice on a good string trick yoyo and a good loop trick yoyo for under $50 with a good amount of string and lube, etc like that pack that i linked has? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![theappe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@theappe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theappe)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/2 "2014-12-16T19:43:01Z")
Yomega has a pack that will take you all the way to advanced. I think they sell that pack here in the store. ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/3 "2014-12-16T20:04:03Z")
I will definitely have to take a look at that. Do you think those Yomega yoyos are of better quality then the Sage/Oracle combo in the bundle I linked? ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/4 "2014-12-16T20:52:53Z")
The oracle is not a good yoyo and the sage is overpriced For under $50 I suggest: > **[100 Count - 100% Polyester YoYoExpert String](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/100-count-100-polyester-yoyoexpert-string)** > > Good Yo-Yo string is essential if you want to get the most out of your yo-yo. Luckily we have come a far way from the basic cotton strings your grandfathers had.100% polyester is the choice of professionals everywhere and allows for completely smooth... > **[YYF Performance Oil](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/yyf-performance-oil)** > > YoYoFactory performance oil is available in two types depending on your style of play!The Loop/Response performance oil is a high viscosity lubricant that is designed to make yo-yos more responsive. This oil should used to make your "tug responsive"... > **[Speedaholic](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/speedaholic-responsive-yoyo-by-c3yoyodesign)** > > Designed with beginners in mind, the Speedaholic by C3 is crafted from top-quality plastic, ensuring a seamless progression from basic moves to more intricate tricks. From the initial throw to the satisfying catch, the Speedaholic encourages you to... > **[Duncan Hornet](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-hornet-yoyo)** > > The Duncan Hornet is the first looping yoyo from Duncan Toys specifically designed for high-end competition play, and it's a huge leap forward for Duncan! The Hornet is a bearing looper designed with a better rim-to-center weight ratio making it a... ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/5 "2014-12-16T21:44:12Z")
Thank you for the reply Sparhawk! Got a weird question for you, is there a Duncan equivalent to the C3 Speedaholic? (basically a good but cheap unreponsive yoyo) The reason I ask, is I have a thing for Duncan Yoyos (Childhood) and I am just wondering if Duncan has any good ones out there since not alot of people seem to recommend them. ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/6 "2014-12-17T03:00:42Z")
They have the flipside which is the closest you’ll get > **[Duncan](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/duncan)** > > Duncan is the most widely recognized yo-yo name in the entire world. Since 1929, the name "Duncan" has been synonymous with "yo-yo" across the United States, and for good reason! Their yo-yos represent the top-of-the-line for beginners or... Otherwise to get to something actually good you can get the torque which is excellent > **[Duncan Torque](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/duncan-torque-yoyo)** > > Few companies can say they have been designing yo-yos as long as Duncan. They have been creating some of the best yo-yos around since most people can remember...maybe even before you were born! Actually, maybe even before some of your parents were... ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/7 "2014-12-17T14:47:59Z")
Awesome, well its nice to hear that Duncan does have a few gems out there like the Hornet and Torque. Ok so I have settled on my first responsive looping yoyo, but I am debating on two unresponsive yoyos to do learn string tricks on (I do know how to do a basic bind). I am debating on the C3 Speedaholic that was suggested above, and the Spintastics Blade [https://www.spintastics.com/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?search=yes&bc=no&catalogid=182](https://www.spintastics.com/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?search=yes&bc=no&catalogid=182) which is a $20 unresponsive metal yoyo. The good think about the Spintastics Blade, is that Dale Oliver and the Spintastics company is about an hour away from where I live, so I could check it out before I buy. But I would like any advice I can get here as well. ---
**Author:** ![theappe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@theappe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theappe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/8 "2014-12-17T15:01:13Z")
I myself have a Speedaholic and its my fav throw ;D You just cant go wrong with it. It has the potential to do so much. Just check out the Speedaholic vids on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/9 "2014-12-17T15:03:23Z")
True, there are alot more online reviews and videos of the Speedaholic then the Blade. ---
**Author:** ![Mrjackthepoodle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mrjackthepoodle](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mrjackthepoodle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/10 "2014-12-17T15:14:24Z")
Torque, Torque, Torque, Torque, Torque!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/11 "2014-12-17T15:21:28Z")
The torque does look nice, but I do not know if I want to spend $45 bucks on my first unresponsive throw without knowing more about my skill… I could see how it might make learning easier if I am using better equipment but im still unsure…kinda feels like i would be trying to run before learning how to walk. ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/12 "2014-12-17T15:29:51Z")
classic\>everything else\>speedaholic ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/13 "2014-12-17T19:07:00Z")
The blade is just a rebranded magic-yo T8 so it’s not a bad yoyo It’s really up to you ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/14 "2014-12-18T03:59:36Z")
Well I pulled the trigger and bought a c3 Speedaholic, a YYJ Unleashed, a pack of 100 kitty string, and both thick and thin lube. That should last me until I get better and need higher grade throws. I will prob get that Spintastic Blade next month just to have a cheap metal string trick yoyo too. Thank you all for your suggestions and help! ---
**Author:** ![Ripcord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/ripcord/32/599677_2.png) [@Ripcord](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Ripcord)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/15 "2014-12-18T04:06:18Z")
On a side-note, is the stock bearing in the Speedaholic going to be good enough for advanced play if I ever get there? Would a bearing upgrade to a concave or center track bearing be ideal in the future? ---
**Author:** ![akka0710](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@akka0710](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/akka0710)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/16 "2014-12-18T05:00:09Z")
good enough ---
**Author:** ![theappe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@theappe](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theappe)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/returning-to-yo-yos-need-recommendation/71389/17 "2014-12-18T15:21:09Z")
> [@Ripcord](#): > > On a side-note, is the stock bearing in the Speedaholic going to be good enough for advanced play if I ever get there? Would a bearing upgrade to a concave or center track bearing be ideal in the future? I changed out my bearing to KK on the speedaholic. You will notice a difference from flat to KK in time, but for now the stock bearing it comes with is more than capable.