# Return Bottoms aka Sickburn Yo-Yo Workshop News and Updates **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [July 25, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149 "2025-07-25T20:50:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![SlowThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slowthrow/32/307451_2.png) [@SlowThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SlowThrow)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/382 "2025-10-31T12:36:01Z")
Same. My dad is a retired machinist, I’m tempted to share with him for his thoughts, but I don’t wanna give the old man an aneurysm ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/383 "2025-10-31T15:00:20Z")
I have heard that many machining/turning problems are related to workholding. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/384 "2025-11-04T15:09:46Z")
Well I told them I had wanted to return them and get a refund to purchase from my new shop Rapid Direct. They ignored that request and emailed an update apologizing for the problem and telling me no need to return them and they already started remaking all 100. I have some concerns that I’m just going to get another box of junk considering they were either dishonest or incompetent but 🤷‍♀️ If they really do let me keep them I’ll give everyone a free trash grade to abuse when they buy one. That way you can hit one with a your car or try to blow it up with firecrackers or something silly. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/385 "2025-11-04T15:25:53Z")
I’m game for trash grades!!! ---
**Author:** ![MinerJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/minerj/32/629515_2.png) [@MinerJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MinerJ)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/386 "2025-11-04T16:04:44Z")
Yep, and it’s obvious they also had trouble re-indexing after flipping. ---
**Author:** ![MinerJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/minerj/32/629515_2.png) [@MinerJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MinerJ)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/387 "2025-11-04T16:08:09Z")
That’s one of the reasons unit prices drop precipitously for large quantities. Making the jigs to properly hold and index things can easily make up more than half the work for turning a couple dozen of something, but makes up a tiny fraction of the work for turning a few thousand things. And lots of shops try to cut corners on the jigs for “smaller” runs of things for that very reason. My dad had a couple of mills in the garage when I was a kid that were used for making custom archery equipment. The time to make the jigs to hold and index the work pieces was about 100X the time to actually machine a single riser for a bow. And also used about 10X the materials compared to a single riser. ---
**Author:** ![Upmanyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e68b1a/32.png) [@Upmanyu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Upmanyu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/388 "2025-11-04T18:04:38Z")
Im very sceptical of this shop now… did they say they figured out what they did wrong? Otherwise yeah its just a repeat! ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/389 "2025-11-04T19:11:26Z")
I asked them if they are positive they can accurately remake the parts and said I was concerned I would get another box of trash. We will see what they say. They also responded today and argued that the No Jive axles are bead blasted even though they are quite smooth and look nothing like every blasted Ultem item I’ve handled. They want me to take a bunch of pictures, and possibly send them to their lab for inspection. So another headache. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/390 "2025-11-04T20:28:04Z")
> [@AudreySickburn](#): > > possibly send them to their lab for inspection Meanwhile, at the lab… ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/e/4/f/e4f58df28ae5f93b5911206bb1d6365b821881cd.gif) ---
**Author:** ![rkalajian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rkalajian/32/672584_2.png) [@rkalajian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rkalajian)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/391 "2025-11-04T20:38:45Z")
That looks like MY workbench! ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/392 "2025-11-05T15:02:41Z")
![IMG_0880](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/9/e/59ec511f439a91974deebcfa55e3c97c897d13d0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/393 "2025-11-05T15:36:08Z")
I mean better response than denied good luck lol ---
**Author:** ![rkalajian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rkalajian/32/672584_2.png) [@rkalajian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rkalajian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/394 "2025-11-05T15:42:15Z")
Fingers crossed! ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/395 "2025-11-05T17:02:59Z")
After no luck with finding someone willing to blast these axles locally I ordered some of the green pyramids like one drop uses to tumble their stuff and I’m going to tumble the No Jive axles myself. Just a single axle to test it first. ---
**Author:** ![Son-of-Morris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/son-of-morris/32/250533_2.png) [@Son-of-Morris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Son-of-Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/396 "2025-11-05T18:28:33Z")
The experiments continue, this is exciting, good luck! ---
**Author:** ![rkalajian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rkalajian/32/672584_2.png) [@rkalajian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rkalajian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/397 "2025-11-05T18:43:06Z")
So you’re going to “fix” the axle? (see what I did there?) ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/398 "2025-11-05T20:50:54Z")
Thanks! They actually refunded me the cost of the tumbling pyramid media lol so that’s something at least. ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/399 "2025-11-05T23:56:21Z")
so im curious, what will you use for the actual tumbling? like a rock tumbler? ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/400 "2025-11-06T00:59:29Z")
I’ve used rotary tumblers (rock tumbler style) for stuff before and they didn’t work great for anything yo-yo related I threw at them. I now have a vibratory tumbler that’s been working well when I used it for some experiments. [https://a.co/d/ibcQW30](https://a.co/d/ibcQW30) ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/401 "2025-11-13T00:51:15Z")
Okay I finished stonewashing the NJ axles but they are super dirty and need cleaned. It helped a little with response. While it does depend on your No Jive and string I would say these almost exclusively play better with a double loop. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149.md?page=21)