# Return Bottoms aka Sickburn Yo-Yo Workshop News and Updates **URL:** \ **Category:** Up & Coming Manufacturers\ **Created:** [July 25, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149 "2025-07-25T20:50:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/342 "2025-10-29T06:12:12Z")
Hope so. These came from a multibillion dollar publicly traded company so there is recourse and I shouldn’t be out in the cold here. I might try to just return them all for a refund and order from a different shop though as this definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![jeffbenit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/jeffbenit/32/934_2.png) [@jeffbenit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/jeffbenit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/343 "2025-10-29T09:54:28Z")
At the least they could have cleaned up the ultem And made them look nice. It’s like they didn’t even try…. ---
**Author:** ![CannibalCricket](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/cannibalcricket/32/665098_2.png) [@CannibalCricket](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CannibalCricket)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/344 "2025-10-29T10:14:16Z")
Now we know why they didn’t reject the order when others did. With no quality control all kinds of money is “saved”. Hope this turns out for the best, been watching this one with much anticipation! ---
**Author:** ![Slestak75](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slestak75/32/212315_2.png) [@Slestak75](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slestak75)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/345 "2025-10-29T11:07:58Z")
> [@Son-of-Morris](#): > > They’re the “Old Caramels from Grandma’s Cookie Tin of Treats and Sewing Equipment” You mean the one that fell down behind the sewing machine 20 years ago??? 😳 ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/346 "2025-10-29T14:12:49Z")
The white cast is from the bead blasting and is normal, but in the gaps you will notice burrs and chunks sticking out sometimes and that is definitely not normal. I heard back from my case manager that they are opening an internal investigation up and will follow up with me regarding options soon. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/347 "2025-10-29T14:59:24Z")
Let’s hope they have good options. I would hope they would say keep them and here’s a refund but idk ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/348 "2025-10-29T15:39:40Z")
Their website says refunds require a return so that they can troubleshoot what went wrong but I wouldn’t say no to a refund and keep to try to salvage a few. If that happens I’ll give them away for the cost of string, shipping, and whatever tariffs and taxes I get stuck with. ---
**Author:** ![SlowThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slowthrow/32/307451_2.png) [@SlowThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SlowThrow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/349 "2025-10-29T15:42:26Z")
Imagine being the worker(s) that made these things lmao, that’s gonna be a fun meeting with the higher-ups ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/350 "2025-10-29T15:49:40Z")
Yeah considering they threw out about 50 “bad” ones and these are the “good” ones they sent me. They probably ruined $2000 in materials minimum. A drop in the bucket for a 2.5 billion dollar company I guess so hopefully nobody fights me hard on a refund. ---
**Author:** ![MinerJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/minerj/32/629515_2.png) [@MinerJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MinerJ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/351 "2025-10-29T15:59:09Z")
Nah, my guess is the blame falls squarely on whoever made the quote. ---
**Author:** ![MuppetLabs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/muppetlabs/32/289661_2.png) [@MuppetLabs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MuppetLabs)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/352 "2025-10-29T16:08:07Z")
Take a tip from the guitar thread and sell them as “relic’d”. (Sorry this happened.) ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/353 "2025-10-29T16:50:37Z")
They used AI to auto quote it 😎 ---
**Author:** ![MinerJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/minerj/32/629515_2.png) [@MinerJ](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MinerJ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/354 "2025-10-29T16:52:04Z")
Hah! No wonder they’re screwed up. I’m seriously very sorry they didn’t come out better. I know you’ll eventually end up with some amazing throws to sell to us all, but it might be a longer road than initially envisioned. ---
**Author:** ![SlowThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slowthrow/32/307451_2.png) [@SlowThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SlowThrow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/355 "2025-10-29T16:53:17Z")
Well, there, robit, you gots some ‘splainin’ to do ---
**Author:** ![CannibalCricket](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/cannibalcricket/32/665098_2.png) [@CannibalCricket](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/CannibalCricket)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/356 "2025-10-29T17:54:17Z")
![copyImage](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/6/6/966bb0579abfddf86ef32d0877614b794f348742.jpeg) AI be like… ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/357 "2025-10-29T21:44:06Z")
I worked up the courage and unpacked them all. Final count is 97 trash grades that range from visibly deformed, to gaps as large as 3.2mm, to actual sharp edges. There were 3 that I would consider b grades and could have reasonably passed a visible qa. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2025, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/358 "2025-10-29T22:05:08Z")
That’s really sad. I hope they make it right. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/359 "2025-10-30T12:31:07Z")
That’s a bummer, I’ll be honest though I was a bit skeptical about the vendor when you said the quote came in really low. ---
**Author:** ![AudreySickburn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/audreysickburn/32/313292_2.png) [@AudreySickburn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AudreySickburn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/360 "2025-10-30T13:49:13Z")
I had some trepidation but since they were a very large business and not a little shop I thought it was possible they just had better prices for sourcing materials. I heard back from them and they want me to ship them all to their laboratory for inspection now. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/return-bottoms-aka-sickburn-yo-yo-workshop-news-and-updates/430149/361 "2025-10-30T14:58:22Z")
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