# Responsive yoyo suggestions **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [July 30, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176 "2018-07-30T22:41:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lukoyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lukoyo/32/24789_2.png) [@Lukoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lukoyo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/1 "2018-07-30T22:41:34Z")
I’ve always liked responsive play, be it fixed or with a well lubed bearing. There’s something about being able to command a yoyo to return with a simple tug of the string that satisfies. What do you think are some of the best responsive? I’d love to hear what you think. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/2 "2018-07-30T23:31:45Z")
Oh man do I have you covered… **fancy metal responsives** is my thing. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/3/1/f311edab36dac05ff4563af6f88ac71f82ab42b6.gif) By far (in my opinion of course) the two best are 1. One Drop Deep State 2. YoYoFactory Confusion These are the gold standard by which everything else should be judged! I’d put Deep State slightly in front, but it’s a close call. I’d choose the confusion if you prefer a smaller old school bearing, plus it comes with thinner response pads (and a wide bearing) if you want to play it unresponsive. The Deep State uses a recessed standard C bearing. Heavy lube that bearing and it’ll be very responsive indeed; clean the bearing for max spin time, and it’ll be more unresponsive. Some others that are also excellent, depending on your shape and style preferences: - Basecamp Sherpa - Basecamp Moonshine - Tom Kuhn SB-2 - CoreCo Alley Cat 650b - TopYo Creater - Rain City Skills Gamer - iYoyo 2 One I am not listing here is the Smashing Pip which plays like a square megabrick to me. Interesting … but not one I’d recommend. As far as responsive plastic goes, my picks are: - Japan Tech LinkX (h shape, awesome!) - YYR Fay / Diffusion (v shape) - YoYoOfficer X-Point (w shape) - Recess First Base (o shape) There’s a lot of responsive plastics out there but to me those play the best. And I like strong different shape choices :wink: ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/3 "2018-07-31T00:30:55Z")
Buy a good wooden responsive and you won’t have to worry about response, bearings or lube. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/4 "2018-07-31T00:36:41Z")
Right out of the package the Confusion plays perfect. I highly recommend. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/5 "2018-07-31T00:44:31Z")
I prefer wood for fixed 95% of the time just due to the way I like to play fixed yo-yos. Extended sleep time isn’t necessary. I do enjoy my moonshine though, but I still do the same stuff I’d do with wood. One that hasn’t been mentioned is Custom (that’s the company name). I don’t know if they are still making yo-yos but you can find them around I think. Custom Reactor is the one I used to have ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/6 "2018-07-31T01:15:16Z")
And if you buy a horse you’ll never have to worry about gas, insurance, or tires! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![AndreBoulay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andreboulay/32/69662_2.png) [@AndreBoulay](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AndreBoulay)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/7 "2018-07-31T01:25:02Z")
I am also really enjoying the Alley Cat by CoreCo: > **[Core Co.](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/core-co?variant=1112994119688)** And as mentioned - Deep State and Confusion are both GREAT. It has actually never been a better time than now to be into true responsive play while also being a modern thrower! > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... > **[Deep State](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/deep-state-yoyo-by-one-drop)** > > From One Drop: "We want as many people as possible to enjoy yo-yoing with a nice well made metal ball-bearing yo-yo. There is just something cool about the feeling of your own energy powering a spinning yo-yo. It feels alive. One of the hurdles in... ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/8 "2018-07-31T01:41:47Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > And if you buy a horse you’ll never have to worry about gas, insurance, or tires! 😁 Very true, yet the same logic does not quite apply to what I said. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/9 "2018-07-31T01:44:36Z")
I’m just teasing you. I already have the ultimate unresponsive bearing wood yo-yo that you so graciously made for me! Such a beauty. [[Album] Custom wooden unresponsive yo-yo! ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/1/5/8158b3615c66ea39fe278febd9c8787f2f15295b.jpeg "Custom wooden unresponsive yo-yo!") ](https://imgur.com/a/GqxdO) ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/10 "2018-07-31T05:51:52Z")
I just realised that I said get an unresponsive wooden yoyo when I meant to say RESPONSIVE. Edited post. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/11 "2018-07-31T06:00:58Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > By far (in my opinion of course) the two best are > > 1. One Drop Deep State > 2. YoYoFactory Confusion > > These are the gold standard by which everything else should be judged! I dont think so. I’m not arguing against them being great metal unresponsives, i just don’t think they should be the standard by which ALL unresponsives should be judged. Wooden fixed axle responsives are different, and just as good, if not better for most responsive tricks. Wooden fixed axles are dedicated to responsive play, but these others are intended to be used for unresponsive as well if desired. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/12 "2018-07-31T07:01:10Z")
Well, sort of. It’s a horse vs. car argument to me. Yeah, the horse will get you there eventually, and horses are cool and all, but … there’s a reason we’re not all riding horses around on the regular, isn’t there? Technology enables better tools. The OP did ask for fixed axle as well as bearing, so consider mine the bearing recommendations. I don’t have any fixed axle recommendations. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/13 "2018-07-31T07:18:06Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Well, sort of. It’s a horse vs. car argument to me. Yeah, the horse will get you there eventually, and horses are cool and all, but … there’s a reason we’re not all riding horses around on the regular, isn’t there? Technology enables better tools. I’m not sure you’re understanding me here. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/14 "2018-07-31T11:01:08Z")
I think the problem here is that we’re applying superlatives to opinions (yoyo choices)- always gonna lead to disagreements and rightfully so. You can set whatever parameters you want to make your choice “the best” but so can anyone else ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/15 "2018-07-31T11:29:59Z")
> [@Rosenberg](#): > > I think the problem here is that we’re applying superlatives to opinions (yoyo choices)- always gonna lead to disagreements and rightfully so. You can set whatever parameters you want to make your choice “the best” but so can anyone else I hear you. The only argument I’m really trying to support here is that while metal responsive yoyos are good, they tend to be designed for both responsive and unresponsive play and therefore have overly complicated hardware for performing responsive tricks. Fixed axle wooden yoyos are solely dedicated to responsive play and perform the job deftly. Again, I’m not trying to argue against metal responsives being good yoyos; I think they’re really cool. ---
**Author:** ![Lukoyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lukoyo/32/24789_2.png) [@Lukoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lukoyo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/16 "2018-07-31T18:42:37Z")
Lots of great recommendations! My throws of choice for responsive play at the moment are my Walter and eh. The Walter is a great throw, it fits in the pocket nicely and I can do a lot of my favourite tricks with it. I have noticed that it does need a good top up of thick lube to keep it sweet, on a regular basis. The only responsive trick I can’t do on it is shoot the moon, which is my favourite responsive trick. Plus, Walters are hard to come by and I’m a bit reluctant to walk the dog with it. I normally leave shooting moons up to my trusty eh. Its my favourite fixed axle that I own and its such a joy to play. This is the throw I’d probably take to the back or go hiking with. (Sand doesn’t agree with fine moving parts). Its also nice to throw something wooden, that isn’t harsh cold metal every so often. I really like the look of the Confusion. Its got and old school shape and its a great price. Does it shoot the moon well? Sherpa is another one I’ve been looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/17 "2018-07-31T19:30:39Z")
Have to pick on you here a little bit but you’re right about technology, which is why I use unresponsive yoyos for my tech tricks 🕶 As much as I like the novelty of responsive metals, I find them to be too “middle of the road” for anything. I get the draw of the added challenge that comes with using them to do advanced tricks, just doesn’t appeal to me personally. On the flip side, nothing feels like wood. There is a _feeling_ that a well made fixed axle wooden yoyo provides that nothing else can, and THAT is the big draw for a lot of people. Is a GT-R faster around a track than an F40? Probably, but give me that slower, gated shifter and RWD any day. Edit: sorry for threadjacking ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/18 "2018-07-31T19:38:14Z")
Walter and Alleycat (the original and 650B) are my favorites. Theodore is quickly gaining favor as well. Also, I love my YWET’s and Daytona setup responsive as well! Other honorable mentions: Flying V, Deep State, Moonshine, FHZ, Confusion & Gamer. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/19 "2018-07-31T19:50:32Z")
No worries – as I tried to say in my first post upstream… I’m only attempting to give metal bearing recommendations! I have zero opinions on fixed axle other than I don’t personally like them. 😏 What can I say, I’m a computer programmer, I am a fan of technology! The OP _did_ ask for both kinds of recommendations… > [@Lukoyo](#): > > I’ve always liked responsive play, **be it fixed** or with a well lubed bearing … so if someone wants to jump in with fixed axle recommendations go for it! ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176/20 "2018-07-31T21:22:06Z")
> [@Lukoyo](#): > > My throws of choice for responsive play at the moment are my Walter and eh. Walter is suuuuuper rare limited run circa 2013 and extremely hard to get. Info here [https://spencerberry.com/walter/](https://spencerberry.com/walter/) … it looks _vaguely_ similar to the confusion? I didn’t list the Luftverk Daytona (Ti) in my responsive list for a similar reason, though I did manage to get one, and it’s awesome, it is not for the faint of heart :wink: I had to look up the Spyy Eh as I had not heard of it > **[SPYY EH](https://yoyo.fandom.com/wiki/SPYY_EH)** “E.H.” for Ed H 😃 [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-yoyo-suggestions/291176.md?page=2)