# Responsive Hypothetical **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [May 16, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419 "2022-05-16T19:11:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Billipo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/billipo/32/162446_2.png) [@Billipo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Billipo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/21 "2023-04-18T19:24:53Z")
About a year ago - I was in the process of making the deep dive into quality responsive yoyos. (read thread). I now own **Gamer lite, Confusion OG, El Mijo 6061, Moonshine 1** in my “premium” acquisitions. I also have a few 2A plastics and a Duncan Pro-Z. I’ve got some money burning a hole in my Pocket… **looking for suggestions** to best round out my stable and to expand my responsive trick options. right now on the radar I see… Doc Pop Thing El Mijo Polycarbonate Impending unknown A-May-zing specials - Hope for a Confusion Hubstack deal? Other? What would best round out my options? Thx in advance. ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/22 "2023-04-18T19:29:49Z")
weekender, day tripper ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/23 "2023-04-18T19:30:43Z")
Deep States are available again (new). ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/24 "2023-04-18T19:39:08Z")
Red Blood Cell. It’s the best! It’s the only yo-yo over $25 that I’ve let myself have two of. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/25 "2023-04-18T19:40:04Z")
yeah my RBC is fantastic my current favorite. I like my confusion. Ill add a good old duncan imperial especially the aluminum version just can’t be beat for some nostalgia. any and all wood is good i like my legend and have a few others i enjoy but i’ve honestly never been disappointed by a wood throw even my proyo makes me happy for that fixed wood feel. i pulled the trigger on the docpop thing just a moment ago and the moment the el mijo poly comes to market im throwing my money at zero gravity. im on the look out for a weekender and eventually ill nab a deep state before they are gone. im also looking at the Origen it looks neat and hits that cheap price point im willing to toss money at. i also would love a gamer but money and isn’t infinite and i can imagine at this point my collection has more similar throws than not as i keep adding. ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/26 "2023-04-18T19:58:57Z")
The DocPop Edition Thing **just** restocked… ---
**Author:** ![Billipo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/billipo/32/162446_2.png) [@Billipo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Billipo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/27 "2023-04-18T20:26:16Z")
I’m kinda at a pick one place that best compliments my collection. **Daytripper** is a unicorn throw, but life maybe too short to wait for a drop. The **Deep State** option sounds very interesting, but what does semi-responsive mean? Very viable option. **Doc Pop Thing** seems like a gateway to 5A responsive, but does it make sense to trash a **Butterfly XT** in the learning process @ $5 or is worth picking up a **Thing** for better days. I am afraid to take my metals outside and this would be a good option for an EDC. Like to support the Doc - he’s awesome. I have an **El Mijo** so is a poly just redundant or a totally new sensation. **RBC** has all great reviews but for $90 I’d expect Red Colorway and a lap dance. That’s just me. Underlying all my apprehension is my minimal skills and fear of damaging my expensive throws. **Everyones feedback is much appreciated**. Unfortunately there are no Yo-Yo showrooms to take test-drives. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/28 "2023-04-18T20:30:51Z")
I felt the same way about the rbc and i honestly was pretty freaked out by the idea of such an expensive yoyo but i finally decided to just go for it. I cut the string a tad short and generally dont take it over hard surfaces but i enjoy it allot. I always bring my legend or proyo or an old duncan imperial or something to throw when im not willing to risk the rbc lol ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/29 "2023-04-18T20:43:47Z")
You want the new YYT/ Throwback Origen, unbelievable price point, metal responsive with RBC guts (bearing and pad standard.) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/0/a/10a50cab95d7a517a7981012389a88225a1c43d8.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/7/5/c75be3c552bd5b446b42d684dfd89a082784f5b3.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/b/c/9bc5ee7a358f0be9553de0ecb289d3b50d9f2543.jpeg) Mine should be here this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/30 "2023-04-18T20:45:59Z")
> [@Billipo](#): > > Underlying all my apprehension is my minimal skills and fear of damaging my expensive throws. I have a $5 Butterfly that I really enjoy and for that matter prefer at times over a handful of yoyos that are 10x the price (fixed axle vs. bearing). But in general, I don’t let skill level or price determine what I buy/play. I have a Butterfly XT which I don’t really like. Playing that instead of a Thing which I do like wouldn’t make sense to me, even if I did damage the Thing. ---
**Author:** ![Lido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lido/32/173650_2.png) [@Lido](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lido)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/31 "2023-04-18T20:49:20Z")
So you still have “Gamer Lite, […] Confusion and Moonshine 1, [and] a El Mijo 6160”? If budget is at all a concern, I think you’re good with what you have. Otherwise I’d get an RBC. It’s not more capable than what you’ve got, but it just has a very unique feel and a very nice response for simple comfort throwing. It stalls, flips, trapeezes, split bottom tricks etc just fine too, but is the only one that I think - compared to what you have - would really be different enough. imho Very broadly speaking here… Daytripper is kind of maybe a bit like a cross between the Gamer Light and Confusion (and as you mentioned, hard to find atm). DP Thing is kind of like a plastic Gamer Light. It’s awesome and I play it more than my Gamer, but I wouldn’t mind if I only had one of the two. ---
**Author:** ![Lido](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/lido/32/173650_2.png) [@Lido](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Lido)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/32 "2023-04-18T20:51:37Z")
new butterfly \> xt maybe… new butterfly/3 = xt ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/33 "2023-04-18T20:55:45Z")
Thanks for sharing this. I hadn’t seen it but it looks super interesting, especially for $20. ---
**Author:** ![hsb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hsb/32/193274_2.png) [@hsb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hsb)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/34 "2023-04-18T20:56:40Z")
I haven’t even upgraded to the new Butterfly. I just find that the XT adds complication and inconsistency without adding enough performance (for my purposes). ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/35 "2023-04-18T20:59:21Z")
I learned responsive 5A on a Butterfly XT with a homemade counterweight. It’s totally doable. I still use one with Big Fun caps (with a hole to make pull starts easier) and a Layer Infinity Monster Ball. You’ve listed a bunch of metal so some plastic or wood would round out your collection. ---
**Author:** ![Eric\_Newlin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eric_newlin/32/598950_2.png) [@Eric\_Newlin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Eric_Newlin)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/36 "2023-04-18T21:00:02Z")
The RBC just has something special about it. I also recommend the Freehand One. I think it’s a must-have if you’re into responsive play, even though it’s not really a modern responsive/0a like many of these recommendations. And if you want a 2a yoyo, Loop 720s seem to be the weapon of choice for many. I’m also really enjoying the C3 Initiator for 2a. The Initiator has a very smooth feeling that I like. The Layer Infinity Kasm is also a delightful surprise. Who would have guessed that a 3D-printed responsive could be so good? ---
**Author:** ![TryCatchThrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trycatchthrow/32/171307_2.png) [@TryCatchThrow](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TryCatchThrow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/37 "2023-04-18T21:03:27Z")
The Kasm is an awesome rec regardless of cost, but for the record is also quite affordable. ---
**Author:** ![bheinz63](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/bheinz63/32/137310_2.png) [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/38 "2023-04-18T21:06:34Z")
i would recommend adding 2x difeyo thin shims to the XT, with the slightly wider gap its a way better yoyo imho ---
**Author:** ![mable](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mable/32/194074_2.png) [@mable](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mable)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/39 "2023-04-18T21:09:01Z")
I just learned about those the other day. That price point feels unreal. RBC bearing/pad setup, 55g weight, all for just 20 dollars??? And they’re going to be putting out more 0A tutorials. What an awesome release. Really great stuff @MarkD I’m excited to see more people picking those up. If I didn’t just buy a Kasm I would’ve immediately jumped on the Origen. Kasm is great though, I got one the other day and I love the bearing locks it comes with. I always worried half size C bearing blanks would feel bad, but turning the B bearing of the Kasm into a blank with the included bearing locks actually feels great. I really like mine. ---
**Author:** ![Billipo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/billipo/32/162446_2.png) [@Billipo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Billipo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419/40 "2023-04-18T21:40:43Z")
Good Stuff. I **just ordered an Origen**. Price is great, but the small bearing and MK1 reputation was the real deciding factor on making the purchase. Thanks for the tip. May still need another purchase. **Keep sharing those thoughts!** [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/responsive-hypothetical/357419.md?page=3)