# Razor scooters making a yoyo?!? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [February 19, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489 "2010-02-19T05:02:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![stephen\_cam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stephen_cam/32/380_2.png) [@stephen\_cam](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephen_cam)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/81 "2010-02-25T05:11:07Z")
Extremely well said. ---
**Author:** ![theyoster109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoster109/32/244_2.png) [@theyoster109](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theyoster109)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/82 "2010-02-25T05:12:40Z")
ratfacedudeguy that made me tear up. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Mattylightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mattylightning/32/205_2.png) [@Mattylightning](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Mattylightning)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/83 "2010-02-25T05:51:32Z")
> [@ratfacedudeguy](#): > > > [@Mamonga](#): > > > > > [@JoeyVitalari](#): > > > > > > > [@Mamonga](#): > > > > > > > > unless the Razor symbol is on a bunch of the backdrops at competitions this year I think it would be safe to assume they are in it for the $$ rather than the community. > > > > > > That’s where the Razor Team is going to come into play. We’re forming a competitive team, not just some promotional jazz. There’ big plan for Razor, and I see them becoming a presence in the yoyo community! > > > > That’s good to know. Do you already have some people lined up or you still contacting people. I can’t wait to see what your guys are capable of. I kinda feel bad about saying this stuff with the main guy reading it. But i’m glad that there are people in the company listening. That is a plus. You’ll be able to keep up with the community and get to know some of the people around. Thanks for the the Info Joey. ;D > > That’s what I’ve been thinking. The goal of this particular community (much moreso than certain other online communities in our nation of yo-yoing ;)) generally seems to be extremely supportive and helpful to newcomers to the world of yo-yoing. The only thing is that in this case, it’s not a kid trying to decide if he should get a Kickside or a Speedmaker or how to bind, it’s a startup manufacturer. Granted they’ve already gained very strong market presence in another product’s industry, but with the previous marketing and sales success of Razor’s existing product line, I think it’s safe to say that Razor’s venture into yo-yoing seems very promising in a best case scenario. It’s easy to understand the concerns going around about this being just someone trying to cash in on an up and coming fad, but what Dr. YoYo said is right: we have a powerful presence and a strong voice in this industry whether we realize it or not. I mean, you see Joey posting in this thread in response to what people are saying about “his” company, and every once in a while you’ll see Ben from YoYoFactory or Ernie from General-Yo pop up on here from time to time adding their 2 cents and scoping out the consumers’ (our) input. We essentially shape the new quality products that get released. And if the product falls short for whatever reason, we speak out against it and it doesn’t sell. > > Anyway, my point is let’s not chastize Razor for branching out into “our” territory. It’s fine to retain some healthy skepticism, but instead, let Razor in this case be the newcomer that we all jump to help learn how to bind or how to land that trapeze. Let’s offer suggestions on what we look for in a quality product and manufacturer. After all, they do have plenty of resources to potentially initiate the next boom that everyone’s been waiting for and to generate alot of growth in competitions. Let’s not blow that by being jerks to them right off the bat. Not everyone can start out on top like companies like General-Yo for example. Let’s try and work with these people instead of against them, because if there’s anything that I’ve really seen as the general motto of this forum, it’s that everyone deserves a chance and everyone deserves some help getting their foot in the door. thia man has it right! if you guys over at razor need any help just get in contact with the people on here!! we’re always willing to help!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Apetrunk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/apetrunk/32/148_2.png) [@Apetrunk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Apetrunk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/84 "2010-02-25T07:54:23Z")
> [@ratfacedudeguy](#): > > Long rant of awesomness from ratfacedudeguy I must say that that post owned. And it’s very true too. I, as well as many others, were very very skeptical of this whole thing and thought it a joke, but I’m starting to see the other side of it and am really looking forward to the day this stuff comes out. These things couldn’t be too bad either. Yoyos aren’t too different from, say, scooter wheels, but obviously wider and stretched or whatever. Can’t wait. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![edhaponik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/edhaponik/32/150896_2.png) [@edhaponik](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/edhaponik)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/85 "2010-02-25T13:21:09Z")
razor isn’t ‘joey’s company’; not in the way that duncan is ‘brandon’s company’ or yyf is ‘ben’s company’ (both of those guys have significant or total control over the products released). razor put out an all-call last year for non-sponsored yo-yoers who wanted to apply for their marketing engine. don’t get me wrong - i’m glad that they want to have a yo-yoer associated with them, but unless joey (and preferably other yo-yoers as well) have real input into the direction of their products/quality… it’s all hot air. i’m sure joey can speak to the level of input he’s got with the company. forgive me for being cynical, but to my mind, this isn’t at all the same as helping a 12-year-old learn to bind. this is a corporation with the ability to release HUGE volumes of product to be accessed by beginning yo-yoers. i’m not going to watch the flood of product followed by immediate vanishing-act that some companies pulled a decade ago without complaining. they’re a corporation, and don’t NEED us to teach them ‘how to bind’. whether or not they even WANT the input of yo-yo players has yet to be determined. they have the capacity to inundate the market with inexpensive yo-yo’s and make a boatload of cash WITHOUT our input. let’s see if that’s their aim, or if they actually want in on what we’re doing. all i’ve said the entire time is ‘let’s see what they do’. if they release REAL, CONSISTENT, INEXPENSIVE yo-yo’s that are meant to introduce kids to progressive play… and if they back that product up with GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE and a legit team that INTERACTS WITH THE COMMUNITY… and if they SPONSOR EVENTS and demonstrate that they’re invested in making yo-yoing sustainably popular (as opposed to fueling a ‘boom’ with a flood of junk product)… then they absolutely ought to be embraced. THAT’S what we get from the companies sold at yoyoexpert. THAT’S what we expect from the companies affiliated with our community. anything less than that LOWERS the standard of our expectations, and those companies should be not receive our support. the leverage a company like this has to exert over other companies who have done the leg-work over the last 10 years is enormous. the fact that the money they can throw at yo-yoing for a few months has the capacity to take away from a company like YYF or YYJ, which has been in the trenches developing awesome entry-level product for years, is alarming. if they do it up right, i’ll congratulate them… but so far i haven’t seen a shred of evidence of product, or any presence in the community besides the yo-yoer they hired via casting call. a lot of you guys seem to assume that a ‘boom’ is good for yo-yoing. that a million $15 metals is good for yo-yoing. but in truth, we want to escape the nuclear cycle of boom and bust. we want to see companies that work WITH yo-yoers to generate sustainable, managed growth and consistent, high quality product at all levels. let’s see what happens. let’s see what they do. i’ll shut up about it now. in a few months i’ll say ‘wow! way to go razor! i’m surprised and excited!’ … or i’ll say ‘that sucks. figures. par for the course.’ ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/86 "2010-02-25T14:23:53Z")
Ed’s post pretty much sums it up. We can’t really make any correct judgments until we see what they do. ---
**Author:** ![JoeyVitalari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a4c791/32.png) [@JoeyVitalari](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/JoeyVitalari)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/87 "2010-02-25T15:42:37Z")
As of right now, I have direct contact with designers, so myself and our team manager, Mark Vargas, do have a say in what will be released. The first line of yoyos being released in March were already made before I was associated with Razor, so those are what they decided to put out. In the future, however, the yoyo’s will be approved by me and Mark. Also, like I mentioned before, I am working on a personal design, and hoping to release many more very soon. We have 2 prototypes which are already in the works. The people who have played these had a hard time putting them down. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/88 "2010-02-25T18:31:20Z")
de ja vous? Joey you are a good kid. I don’t know why you keep putting yourself up as the target and getting yourself as the face of something you have no control over. Work hard, do your thing. Look out for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yo_yo_ma_x/32/187_2.png) [@Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo_Yo_Ma_X)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/89 "2010-02-26T00:51:41Z")
so there are actually three possible outcomes of Razor making cheap metals. the first two are previously stated as the “good job and welcome to the community” and the “shame on you for taking our beautiful hobby and trying to grab as much money as you can before you book it.” the other one was talked about a little. it is the “you make metals so cheap that they run out the competition.” i have to say that this last one could in fact END the boom to come, but i hope it doesn’t come to that, and i doubt it will. most people here are too loyal to their favorite companies. i won’t find a good $15 dollar metal and choose it over my P2 or 5star, unless it is so amazing that my eyes roll back in my head and i have a stroke out of pure awesomeness (which is almost the reaction to my two babies). So Razor, i have some words of advice that will help not make the last scenario true: if your yoyos truely own all possible compitition, than do one of a few things. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Rase the price a little. you will made more of a profit if they are so good, i wouldn’t mind paying at least $80 for. you may make a big profit, plus the other companies may still have buisiness. The second option is to not make it SUPER available. i am pretty sure that the only reason why most throwers don’t have a hatrick is either the price or the availability. i doubt you will have to use these tips but i just don’t want to see other companies fall to Razor. so these are just in case. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoz1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoz1/32/388_2.png) [@yoyoz1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoz1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/90 "2010-02-26T01:13:06Z")
What if the yoyos are Mighty Flea/Big Deal size, its less alumimum so less expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Rabbadxs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rabbadxs/32/399_2.png) [@Rabbadxs](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rabbadxs)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/91 "2010-02-26T01:37:52Z")
Right now alluminum cost 1 dollar a pound, they are ripping us off. ---
**Author:** ![theyoster109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoster109/32/244_2.png) [@theyoster109](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theyoster109)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/92 "2010-02-26T01:40:30Z")
Mr.Yo you are completely wrong, the Mosquito is Cheap and Widley Avaliable and they don’t put out the Other Companies. we are only people who buy yoyos from them. So, a bunch of wanna be throwers won’t effect their bussiness. Unless we all drop our YYFs and 1Drops and General Yos, to buy razor yoyos. their buisness won’t change. ---
**Author:** ![AgentFlynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7feea3/32.png) [@AgentFlynn](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AgentFlynn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/93 "2010-02-26T02:01:57Z")
> [@Rabbadxs](#): > > Right now alluminum cost 1 dollar a pound, they are ripping us off. Who is ripping us off? ---
**Author:** ![Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yo_yo_ma_x/32/187_2.png) [@Yo\_Yo\_Ma\_X](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yo_Yo_Ma_X)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/94 "2010-02-26T02:20:15Z")
there is a flaw with your logic Theyoster. i said only if the yoyo is super awesomeness epictrocity… cool thing. Mosquito is not exactly known for spin time, or grinds, or really anything but a good beginer yoyo. i am saying only if they make afordable metal yoyos for beginers and for experts, then they may drive people out of buisness. and i am not saying they are. this is purely worst case scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/95 "2010-02-26T02:30:52Z")
> [@Rabbadxs](#): > > Right now alluminum cost 1 dollar a pound, they are ripping us off. Yeah, and designing it, machining it, anodizing it, and finishing it doesn’t add to the price at ALL. Heck, all the yoyos out here play just as good as blocks of aluminum. Those yoyo companies suck. /sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/96 "2010-02-26T03:01:50Z")
> [@Samad](#): > > > [@Rabbadxs](#): > > > > Right now alluminum cost 1 dollar a pound, they are ripping us off. > > Yeah, and designing it, machining it, anodizing it, and finishing it doesn’t add to the price at ALL. Heck, all the yoyos out here play just as good as blocks of aluminum. Those yoyo companies suck. /sarcasm. LolZ! Dont forget things yoyo companies do like sponser comps and have great customer service… Lame-os ---
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/97 "2010-02-26T03:12:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Haven’t you ever demonstrated yoyos? Hasn’t anyone seemed shocked that your yoyo is expensive? That’s how the general non-yoyoing public is - they’re not going to want to spend $100 on a yoyo they see in Wal-Mart one random day when they walk in. OMG, I know what you are saying. I do a trick, and they ask, how much did that cost? Me: About 50 dollars. Them: :o you spend 50 DOLLARS on a YOYO? :o Me: Yes 🙂 I am skeptical of Razor’s yo-yos. I think they are simply jumping on board of what is coming back, looking to make profit, not satisfied customers. 15 dollar aluminum grade yo-yo? You get what you pay for. Remember that. ---
**Author:** ![theyoster109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/theyoster109/32/244_2.png) [@theyoster109](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/theyoster109)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/98 "2010-02-26T03:19:30Z")
I beleive they said and I quote “High Quality Aircraft Aluminum” I high doubt that thats what they are made of. But, I could be wrong. Who know until they comeout at the End of March. ---
**Author:** ![king825](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/king825/32/347_2.png) [@king825](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/king825)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/99 "2010-02-26T03:25:50Z")
> [@](#): > > “High Quality Aircraft Aluminum” Me thinks that aircraft would crash and burn. Positive: This may interest more manufacturers interested in making half decent ones! I would Love to see a yoyo store open where I live… That’s not gonna happen, though. ---
**Author:** ![yoyofan11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyofan11/32/426_2.png) [@yoyofan11](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyofan11)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489/100 "2010-02-26T12:19:26Z")
> [@king825](#): > > I would Love to see a yoyo store open where I live… > > That’s not gonna happen, though. I know right? I have to drive for 3 hours to get to the nearest major store. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/razor-scooters-making-a-yoyo/11489.md?page=6)