# ratfacedudeguy's Handy-Dandy Guide to YYR Authentication **URL:** \ **Category:** Buy / Sell / Trade\ **Created:** [January 4, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467 "2012-01-04T20:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/21 "2012-03-21T00:52:39Z")
They play differently, but also very well ;D ---
**Author:** ![Kristiawan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kristiawan/32/366_2.png) [@Kristiawan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kristiawan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/22 "2012-03-21T12:05:14Z")
> [@naoki](#): > > They play differently, but also very well ;D Still, I won’t encourage one to buy a bootleg. Anyway, those 100$ you say you’d save, is better be out there helping yoyo community, rather than spending 80$ and support bootleg. Its just me maybe, but just ignoring others hard work just so you can save few extra bucks is not right IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Darxun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/darxun/32/957_2.png) [@Darxun](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Darxun)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/23 "2012-03-23T14:03:59Z")
> [@Kristiawan](#): > > > [@naoki](#): > > > > They play differently, but also very well ;D > > Still, I won’t encourage one to buy a bootleg. > > Anyway, those 100$ you say you’d save, is better be out there helping yoyo community, rather than spending 80$ and support bootleg. > > Its just me maybe, but just ignoring others hard work just so you can save few extra bucks is not right IMO. Actually, we’re not technically ignoring their hard work; the people making the bootlegs are… ---
**Author:** ![Kristiawan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kristiawan/32/366_2.png) [@Kristiawan](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Kristiawan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/24 "2012-04-27T12:33:37Z")
Just a heads up… There’s also a Clash bootleg now… Be aware… ---
**Author:** ![YoyoGeezer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyogeezer/32/755_2.png) [@YoyoGeezer](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoyoGeezer)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/25 "2013-03-15T18:28:41Z")
> [@Darxun](#): > > > [@Kristiawan](#): > > > > > [@naoki](#): > > > > > > They play differently, but also very well ;D > > > > Still, I won’t encourage one to buy a bootleg. > > > > Anyway, those 100$ you say you’d save, is better be out there helping yoyo community, rather than spending 80$ and support bootleg. > > > > Its just me maybe, but just ignoring others hard work just so you can save few extra bucks is not right IMO. > > Actually, we’re not technically ignoring their hard work; the people making the bootlegs are… Yeah, right. You are just an innocent bystander. You ARE technically and morally rewarding those that steal the hard-work of others. That makes you just as guilty as the bootleggers. That you feel innocent is exactly the morality that bootleggers rely on to continue their thievery. ---
**Author:** ![yoyospirit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyospirit/32/219875_2.png) [@yoyospirit](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyospirit)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/26 "2013-03-15T21:23:40Z")
> [@Kristiawan](#): > > > [@naoki](#): > > > > They play differently, but also very well ;D > > Still, I won’t encourage one to buy a bootleg. > > Anyway, those 100$ you say you’d save, is better be out there helping yoyo community, rather than spending 80$ and support bootleg. > > Its just me maybe, but just ignoring others hard work just so you can save few extra bucks is not right IMO. Murica’ ---
**Author:** ![MYNAMEISZen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@MYNAMEISZen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MYNAMEISZen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/27 "2013-03-24T18:33:04Z")
Bootlegs arnt $80 they are like $32 on Billy Bobs Bait and Tackle ---
**Author:** ![A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/a_soviet_locust/32/113687_2.png) [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/A_Soviet_Locust)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/28 "2013-03-24T18:58:56Z")
Don’t mention other stores, for heavens sakes. ---
**Author:** ![dingo54](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@dingo54](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/dingo54)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/29 "2013-03-24T19:04:53Z")
> [@MYNAMEISZen](#): > > Bootlegs arnt $80 they are like $32 on billy bob’s bait and tackle. Yeah, and they were 80 when this was made. ---
**Author:** ![Fangers123](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fangers123/32/267_2.png) [@Fangers123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Fangers123)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/30 "2013-03-28T20:39:11Z")
I saw that there were bootlegs made of TP also, Any idea what models? Or how to authenticate a TP Leviathan2? ---
**Author:** ![irdaprez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/irdaprez/32/217_2.png) [@irdaprez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/irdaprez)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/31 "2013-04-19T17:38:39Z")
Not sure, but I would suppose the axle and bearing seat might be different. ---
**Author:** ![RobK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobK](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/RobK)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/32 "2013-10-22T03:47:25Z")
I’m on a quest to get all the YYRs. How prevalent are these counterfeits at this point? I am doing my best to stick to well established community members, and buying from reputable stores. Can you guys help me identify genuine from counterfeits from photos? Any new counterfeits appear since the last posts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/a_soviet_locust/32/113687_2.png) [@A\_Soviet\_Locust](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/A_Soviet_Locust)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/33 "2013-10-22T10:16:36Z")
Counterfeits aren’t all that common nowadays, as the only counterfeited models have now been “discontinued” by YYR. ---
**Author:** ![overlap\_king](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/53a042/32.png) [@overlap\_king](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/overlap_king)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/34 "2014-10-15T15:25:15Z")
They’re going to use this thread now to make them 100% identical now… :wink: ;D ;D 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/35 "2014-10-15T15:28:32Z")
> [@overlap\_king](#): > > They’re going to use this thread now to make them 100% identical now… :wink: ;D ;D 😛 😃 😃 😃 POST #2000 ---
**Author:** ![rizki\_yoist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rizki_yoist/32/7925_2.png) [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/36 "2016-02-17T14:28:01Z")
I hope it’s okay to necro for additional info. I had one that is not heavy at all… One thing though, it actually plays like 65-66 grams until I weight it. ---
**Author:** ![YoKen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/df705f/32.png) [@YoKen](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoKen)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/37 "2016-03-19T04:21:07Z")
I heard there are fake lasers is that true? ---
**Author:** ![rizki\_yoist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rizki_yoist/32/7925_2.png) [@rizki\_yoist](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rizki_yoist)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/38 "2016-03-19T05:09:13Z")
Some of the fakes can’t even get it right, they wobble to the point it’s unplayable. I only knew Acrophobia is one of the ‘newer’ fakes. ---
**Author:** ![thegnine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@thegnine](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/thegnine)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/39 "2016-03-21T16:18:37Z")
> [@rizki\_yoist](#): > > Some of the fakes can’t even get it right, they wobble to the point it’s unplayable. I only knew Acrophobia is one of the ‘newer’ fakes. yes… thats right… ;D ---
**Author:** ![persson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/persson/32/208357_2.png) [@persson](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/persson)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467/40 "2016-10-27T12:23:23Z")
my post in the other thread "IMHO I own 21 YYR, the first I bought it in 2010, I consider them excellent yoyo but in recent years I have made some ideas, which I share with you. of these 21 are Chinese yoyo 7 copies … made no Alu (7075) but in anticorodal (6061), all made so great and they play perfectly … all arrived in absolutely identical boxes to those “official” it is seen that all outputs are the same factory, the only difference is that those copies start with a bit 'of difficulty for bad tolerances between cover and base (b-grade say). how it can go any anything? copy the models were ever produced and put on the market only after years of official ones, by which time these models have made their history and then copies can not “cannibalize” the official ones. between copies and ufficilali there are always small differences, almost never visible to the eye (1-2 grams of weight for example) so as to make them identifiable in any case). if I compare the Draupnir to Start the Riot I see that they are identical in construction and almost certainly have come out of the same factory and processed by those machines. I have many doubts about where YYR have been worked over time and the fact that the birth of the copies is completely foreign to the will of the YYR same … but the thing becomes irrelevant because in China have the same machines and skills that they have in Japan now, so ultimately my thought is that the Draupnir is certainly a great yoyo but it is overrated and certainly not worth the cost involved in its purchase, much better the Start the Riot, same quality (the difference aluminum is negligible), excellent playability, the most honest price (high anyway but honest). P.S. YYR with which the best game? copy of Sleipnir 63 gr . plays a lot better than “real” … faster and more responsive, very stability and identical feeling" [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/ratfacedudeguys-handy-dandy-guide-to-yyr-authentication/33467.md?page=3)