# Rally/Cabal Guts **URL:** \ **Category:** David Metz\ **Created:** [March 1, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502 "2019-03-01T03:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/1 "2019-03-01T03:18:02Z")
I have four fantastic yoyos made by others using the Cabal guts. From Jensen I have the Peon and Woodboy, and from Spinworthy I have the Victrola and a Cypress Pine one that I don’t think Glen named. I’ve also seen pics of other examples, from other makers. All the ones I’ve seen, have been wood. It must be exciting to see one of your designs facilitate the creation of all these yoyos, and to be a part of the realization of wood as a viable material for modern unresponsives! Have you ever tried another maker’s yoyo made with your guts? Was it the development of, and the experience with the SE system, that gave you all the foresight to create a system you could reuse, when you were designing the Rally? Any OD ideas on the horizon using them? ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/2 "2019-03-01T04:57:26Z")
> [@Myk\_Myk](#): > > Have you ever tried another maker’s yoyo made with your guts? I know he has tried a Spinworthy Quartersawn; there’s one in the Onedrop collection. He has also tried some A/RT Woodens. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/3 "2019-03-01T19:30:33Z")
We definitely have some yoyos in our collection that use our guts system. We’ve sold a lot of those kits and the result is awesome! I answered the Side Effect question in another thread - the answer is long so look that one up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/4 "2019-03-01T20:43:57Z")
I think I did read that, but my question wasn’t directly about SE, but rather how Developing the SE might have influenced the guts in the Rally/Cabal. > [@Myk\_Myk](#): > > Was it the development of, and the experience with the SE system, that gave you all the foresight to create a system you could reuse, when you were designing the Rally? It’s all good, though! I know there are so many questions to answer. I really appreciate you taking the time for us. That fact, and the way you’ve answered all the questions, has made me even more of a fanboy! ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/5 "2019-03-01T20:48:33Z")
In my other answer I talk about the whole history of the development of SEs. Rally/Cabal guts came later but were not designed a reuse system. They were designed for trying to solve the problems of plastic. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/6 "2019-03-01T20:51:06Z")
Right, I think @AndreBoulay asked that question. Well, I’m so glad that the Rally guts did work out as a reuse system! > [@da5id](#): > > They were designed for trying to solve the problems of plastic. How fortunate that they also solved the problems of wood! ---
**Author:** ![AndreBoulay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andreboulay/32/69662_2.png) [@AndreBoulay](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AndreBoulay)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/7 "2019-03-01T20:52:03Z")
> [@Origin of Side Effects in YoYos?](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/origin-of-side-effects-in-yoyos/299460/5): > > Andre, Thanks for having me! From the moment we first saw a tapped axle yoyo, we thought it could be done better. This stems from Shawn’s experience in machining and manufacturing. That and the fact that we only had a mill (not a lathe) was what led to our first yoyo (the Project) having a nut capture system. This was the first idea we had for doing a non-tapped axle system. Down the road, out of frustration that anodizers were messing up our bearing posts, we thought that perhaps we coul… ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/8 "2019-03-01T20:54:09Z")
Rally guts are not a re-use system. They are meant to be press fit and then never taken out. Technically you can, but it can lead to vibe and problems. Don’t recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![Myk\_Myk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/myk_myk/32/63087_2.png) [@Myk\_Myk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Myk_Myk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/9 "2019-03-01T21:09:43Z")
I’m sorry, I meant that you were able to use them in other yoyos. I don’t own a Rally, so I didn’t know they were press fit. They are not press fit in the wood yoyos I have utilizing them, and can easily be taken out and put back in. I apologize if I used the term “reuse” incorrectly. Or are the Rally guts different from the Cabal guts? I had read they were the same… I feel so guilty! I didn’t want to be “The Frustrating Guy”… 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/rally-cabal-guts/299502/10 "2019-03-01T22:40:06Z")
Naw man you good. Love the discussion. The Rally and Cabal use exactly the same guts 🙂