# Quick discussion/comparison of modern responsive yoyos **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [March 11, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022 "2022-03-11T04:02:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/21 "2025-08-09T00:53:28Z")
There was a full-size version with Hubstacks released in 2022 ![17547006058708222666982162664883](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/7/f/57f0a24627207e143deb61da2e2b011a84d4d1d3.jpeg) Sounds like the next release will have Cork Pads. You pick up the latest Turbo Grind Machine ? > **[Turbo Grind Machine](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/turbo-grind-machine-yoyo-by-yoyofactory)** > > Way back when YoYoFactory first started setting world records, redefining contest yo-yos and the tricks that could be done on them they had an idea. Pads below the surface, to generate spin and response... on bearing yo-yos.It was novel, it was cool... ![17547007949392208037541277429426](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/6/d/6/6d6fa7a645b12bf654a219548b360bdad2eaa747.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/22 "2025-08-09T01:00:11Z")
That is very cool, but are there any pictures of that with items actually stacked on the hubs? I’m unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Exmime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/exmime/32/40143_2.png) [@Exmime](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Exmime)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/23 "2025-08-09T01:20:07Z")
They use regular stacks and A bearings ![1000009945](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/1/9/919541cf016920902ba00bd7a331e43159c7f412.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/24 "2025-08-09T02:44:19Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > gosh darn it now I have to have this stupid thing If you’re having trouble finding an rbc, please get in touch with me ---
**Author:** ![Splizacular](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/splizacular/32/640487_2.png) [@Splizacular](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Splizacular)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/25 "2025-08-09T16:29:01Z")
ive never out stacks on mine cuz i just haven’t gotten around to picking a kit up. curious though, how much weight does it add fully assembled if you have access to scales? ---
**Author:** ![Simyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Simyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Simyo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/26 "2025-08-09T19:33:42Z")
![IMG_8181](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/1/6/2/162ae1cf9001458db00b04112e1ec60cdecbd003.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/27 "2025-08-10T23:54:02Z")
Hubstacks are less risky these days because we have far more sophisticated materials technology; it doesn’t _have_ to be synonymous with “center weight”. We can design in more flexible ways. ---
**Author:** ![Captrogers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/captrogers/32/647012_2.png) [@Captrogers](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Captrogers)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/28 "2025-08-11T01:02:22Z")
They are risky in the “yyf still owns the patent and is litigious toward anyone who impedes on their IP sense” so unless your in China and can’t be pursued it’s not worth doing hubstacks “yet” Can’t wait for that patent to expire ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/29 "2025-08-11T01:11:08Z")
Well, hubstacks aren’t THAT necessary or cool anyways.. they’re sort of interesting but not _essential_ to the yo-yo experience.. in some ways they can be annoying to play. Pros and cons, really. ---
**Author:** ![kretzschmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kretzschmar/32/668707_2.png) [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/30 "2025-08-11T01:46:00Z")
Long sharp spikes, for Matador style, provide me with enough spin to scratch the itch of hubstacks. ---
**Author:** ![FugasYoyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fugasyoyo/32/627783_2.png) [@FugasYoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FugasYoyo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/31 "2025-08-11T03:11:19Z")
Honestly I’ve never owned a hubstack throw before. Just never found one I was like “yes! This is the one”. Maybe if an old 888 came along to buy, I’d get one. But I’ve also heard about QC issues on newer ones. Dunno if that’s true though ---
**Author:** ![Slestak75](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/slestak75/32/212315_2.png) [@Slestak75](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slestak75)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/32 "2025-08-11T12:35:20Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > gosh darn it now I have to have this stupid thing This is the way. Edit: I felt a sudden disturbance in the Farce… as if 2 or 3 voices cried out… THIS IS THE WAY… and then silence. 🤐 ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/33 "2025-08-28T00:55:03Z")
> [@kretzschmar](#): > > If you had to pick up one more, I’d get the Weekender or the Daytripper. Whichever one pops up first in the BST. They are the only yoyos which rival the RBC in my opinion. After the RBC, Weekender and Daytripper, I would say a greased up Deep State. I wouldn’t need anything else. Well, I tried the plastic RBC (the Plasma) and it’s _amazing_, can confirm that at least. ---
**Author:** ![kretzschmar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kretzschmar/32/668707_2.png) [@kretzschmar](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kretzschmar)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022/34 "2025-08-28T02:12:59Z")
The fact that you love the Plasm and have an RBC incoming has me so excited for you. Can’t wait to hear your impressions between the two. They are both liquid gold in my opinion [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/quick-discussion-comparison-of-modern-responsive-yoyos/354022.md?page=1)