# Pulse vs. new Freehand vs. \[insert similar option here\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [November 30, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439 "2019-11-30T20:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/1 "2019-11-30T20:47:06Z")
Hey there, I’ve been out of the “convertible beginner plastics” game for a while, and was wondering what the community’s thoughts on these newer models are. ## What I need - tug responsive with - option to convert to unresponsive (bearing and/or axel included) - good size/ shape for little hands - preferably ballpark of $20 or less, but more is fine too - in stock [lol] I’ve heard nothing but greatness about the Recess First Base, but I cannot find them in stock anywhere 😢 I’ve also considered the Replay/ Replay pro, but I just don’t like the way those come directly from the factory. (pads that sit proud of the response walls, and kind of loud..). I like the Sage pro pack (YYF Onestar iirc), that was my first “nice” beginner yoyo back in the day. But YYE doesn’t stock them and I’d like to support you guys if at all possible. :heart: These will be for some of my acquaintance’s kiddos who have already gotten up to speed with the “basics” (sleeper, gravity pull) on Butterfly XTs. They’re just ready for an upgrade to something a little more powerful and capable. I’d really like to hear @YoYoExpertGarrett’s input on this, as well as anyone else who would like to chime in. I wish the YYF Protostars were able to be set up with slim bearings.. :thinking: ---
**Author:** ![hobbygod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobbygod/32/120997_2.png) [@hobbygod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobbygod)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/2 "2019-11-30T20:50:24Z")
Id say plstc ---
**Author:** ![PCaliyoyos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pcaliyoyos/32/108396_2.png) [@PCaliyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/PCaliyoyos)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/3 "2019-11-30T20:55:17Z")
i was gonna say the Sage is good and can be unresponsive or responsive but then i saw you edit as i was reading ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/4 "2019-11-30T20:57:13Z")
1. It isn’t available. 2. Are those convertible? ---
**Author:** ![hobbygod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hobbygod/32/120997_2.png) [@hobbygod](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hobbygod)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/5 "2019-11-30T21:03:16Z")
Oh, I wasnt sure if they were available or not. And im pretty sure they come with a halfspec bearing. ---
**Author:** ![SirDarverok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@SirDarverok](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/SirDarverok)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/6 "2019-11-30T21:36:25Z")
I guess recess said a restock of the first base was coming soon ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/7 "2019-11-30T21:45:18Z")
Oh, nice! ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/8 "2019-11-30T22:05:49Z")
Gotta go with the YYF Arrow. > **[Arrow](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/products/arrow-yoyo-by-yoyofactory?variant=12124349300810)** > > With the sights set on the future of yoyo, YoYoFactory is creating the next generation of beginner yo-yos! This is the Arrow! The Arrow will form the foundation of the new YoYoFactory beginner line of affordable high performance yo-yos. It's light... It’s everything you need. Tug-responsive, full size c bearing compatible (included), flush response, and most importantly (even more important than how well it plays, what brand makes and and how it looks) it is cheap and readily available. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/9 "2019-12-01T00:12:31Z")
Have you actually played one of these? ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/10 "2019-12-01T00:39:25Z")
☹ Really wish the Duncan Pro Z was in stock. Dang I think it’s an incredible value for what it is. Walmarts use to sell them not long ago, but I’m not sure if they still do. But for $10 you got a tug responsive with a small sized (a sized) bearing to learn the basics on, or to even learn looping with (by double/triple wrapping the string)…but then came with some cool spacers and a concave bearing to turn it into a more butterfly shaped unresponsive yo to learn more advance stuff with. For $10 I think it’s super hard to beat and is really under rated. ---
**Author:** ![EOS44](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/eos44/32/47059_2.png) [@EOS44](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/EOS44)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/11 "2019-12-01T03:27:34Z")
Nah. Never. ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/12 "2019-12-02T17:31:46Z")
> [@smileypants707](#): > > These will be for some of my acquaintance’s kiddos who have already gotten up to speed with the “basics” (sleeper, gravity pull) on Butterfly XTs. They’re just ready for an upgrade to something a little more powerful and capable. I’d have to agree with @EOS44 on the YYF Arrow choice. Really good yo-yo for the price. Beginner friendly and can be setup unresponsive if they progress. I actually have one setup unresponsive at my desk that I throw pretty often. The ThrowRevolution NEO is another great option too. Little heavier with a more organic shape. Also works well responsive/unresponsive, but it is a few dollars more expensive. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/13 "2019-12-02T19:56:09Z")
Oh yeah, that Neo looks sweeeet. Does it come with a standard size C too? ---
**Author:** ![twitch77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/twitch77/32/60219_2.png) [@twitch77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/twitch77)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/14 "2019-12-02T20:09:55Z")
According to this review…it doesn’t come with an unresponsive bearing. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/5/d/4/5d4ae874cd15c8c646400839c57f67ef496d34a2.jpeg "ThrowRevolution Neo review") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHuYzYpZbM&t=161) > “One thing to note; you will not get an unresponsive bearing with it. You have to buy an extra one on your own.” ---
**Author:** ![YoYoExpertGarrett](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyoexpertgarrett/32/1543_2.png) [@YoYoExpertGarrett](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoYoExpertGarrett)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/15 "2019-12-02T20:14:34Z")
It doesn’t come with an extra C bearing, but it works with one if you have extras. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/16 "2019-12-02T20:23:07Z")
And the axel provided will work fine with a wide C too? ---
**Author:** ![MoonageMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/moonagemin/32/67731_2.png) [@MoonageMin](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MoonageMin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pulse-vs-new-freehand-vs-insert-similar-option-here/311439/17 "2019-12-02T20:50:24Z")
I have one. And I can confirm the axle works with a standard C. It just doesn’t come with one. And I really like is so far and everyone who tried it at the UK yoyo contest this weekend loved it. But I have no Arrow for comparisons Also YYE has some sick colour ways in stock on this site I believe 🙂 ![image](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/images/transparent.png)