# Protostar and counter attack... **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [September 23, 2014, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620 "2014-09-23T14:08:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Boosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/boosh/32/1566_2.png) [@Boosh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Boosh)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/1 "2014-09-23T14:08:10Z")
What’s the difference? I’m trying to choose one. Please give input if you have both ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/2 "2014-09-23T14:24:09Z")
Counter attack is basically a plastic grind machine. It’s got a highwalled more organic shape that fits the older designs of yoyo. The protostar features a sharp v and the lightness helps it play pretty fast and perform decently for horizontals. ---
**Author:** ![Zorro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zorro/32/206266_2.png) [@Zorro](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Zorro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/3 "2014-09-23T14:44:06Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > Counter attack is basically a plastic grind machine. It’s got a highwalled more organic shape that fits the older designs of yoyo. The protostar features a sharp v and the lightness helps it play pretty fast and perform decently for horizontals. Wait, isn’t the Grind Machine plastic? ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/4 "2014-09-23T14:52:43Z")
> [@Zorro](#): > > Wait, isn’t the Grind Machine plastic? Yes…. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/41988e/32.png) [@Yoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/5 "2014-09-27T21:12:39Z")
> [@Zorro](#): > > Wait, isn’t the Grind Machine plastic? No. The GM and PGM are different yoyos. ---
**Author:** ![yoyoboy224](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/f14d63/32.png) [@yoyoboy224](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyoboy224)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/6 "2014-09-27T21:29:32Z")
> [@Yoyo](#): > > No. The GM and PGM are different yoyos. Oh if that’s what you’re talking about then yeah, that’s correct. PGM is plastic. GM isn’t (I think there’s also a GM2 that was metal) ---
**Author:** ![Coffelt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/coffelt/32/1085_2.png) [@Coffelt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Coffelt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/7 "2014-09-27T21:43:28Z")
Protostar will stay with you longer as it is a more competitive shape. ---
**Author:** ![Yoyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/41988e/32.png) [@Yoyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yoyo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/8 "2014-09-27T23:56:00Z")
> [@Someone](#): > > Oh if that’s what you’re talking about then yeah, that’s correct. PGM is plastic. GM isn’t (I think there’s also a GM2 that was metal) GM2 is similar to the Genesis. ---
**Author:** ![Coffelt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/coffelt/32/1085_2.png) [@Coffelt](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Coffelt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/9 "2014-09-28T03:07:10Z")
PGM and pgm2 have a near identical shape to the counter attack where the protostar is more like newer competition level throws. ---
**Author:** ![YoCyanightYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/77aa72/32.png) [@YoCyanightYo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YoCyanightYo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/protostar-and-counter-attack/69620/10 "2014-09-28T03:22:15Z")
> [@Yoyo](#): > > GM2 is similar to the Genesis. GM2 is more similar to the Genesis+ aka the Miggy^2 or Genesis2