# PopCast #26: The Ti-Vayder Awakens **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Videos\ **Created:** [June 11, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691 "2019-06-11T00:36:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/101 "2019-06-11T22:55:36Z")
This is an internet-only release I’m afraid, no plans to do any physical release stuff. ---
**Author:** ![NoT\_ATHROWER](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/not_athrower/32/14242_2.png) [@NoT\_ATHROWER](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/NoT_ATHROWER)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/102 "2019-06-11T22:56:29Z")
Honestly, I think doing a physical release would make you reallyyyy known in the yoyo world. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/103 "2019-06-11T22:57:49Z")
Agreed, it will also allow collectors to keep their originals mint and now have a “print” version to actually play with and enjoy - the way it was meant to be enjoyed in the first place. Also another analogy: An original Shelby Cobra vs. a ‘kit car’ remake. Even if they look and perform the same way, people also value rareness and vintage/original-ness. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/104 "2019-06-11T23:00:35Z")
Can someone that is Facebook savvy confirm this? > [@vegabomb](#): > > I read somewhere on this forum recently that a TiWalker sold on the Facebook BST for around $300-$350. Because like I said if it’s true they’ve already taken a hit. Curious to hear @mrciurleo thoughts on this. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/105 "2019-06-11T23:04:44Z")
> [@vegabomb](#): > > Because like I said if it’s true they’ve already taken a hit. If that’s true then maybe it was already artificially inflated beyond its true worth. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/106 "2019-06-11T23:08:58Z")
I’m just not sure how to respond to that. I don’t understand where that logic comes from. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/107 "2019-06-11T23:12:49Z")
I think he’s saying the Walkers not worth $350 But like, it’s worth as much as someone’s willing to pay so 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/108 "2019-06-11T23:14:47Z")
No, I interpreted him saying that $350 was selling it at a loss. But that’s already twice as much as it was originally priced for - I believe Heath said in the other thread that the original sold for $180. But I agree with this: > [@zslane](#): > > The TiVayder will simply relieve the pressure that “wanting to try one out” put on the selling prices of the TiWalker recently. The true collectors will still fight over the originals because what they are fighting over has nothing to do with the joy of playing the yoyo. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/109 "2019-06-11T23:16:55Z")
And this: > [@andy569](#): > > But like, it’s worth as much as someone’s willing to pay so 🤷‍♂️ The ‘true’ value of the original should be what collectors are willing to pay for them. They are the ones that truly value the yoyo for its history and legacy. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/110 "2019-06-11T23:20:18Z")
One TiWalker sale is not enough to establish a trend. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/111 "2019-06-11T23:22:00Z")
> [@Xanadu](#): > > I believe Heath said in the other thread that the original sold for $180. No, they were $200. Check again. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/112 "2019-06-11T23:23:00Z")
Either way, how many used yoyos sell for more than their original MSRP? ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/113 "2019-06-11T23:29:52Z")
A few dozen Actually there’s a lot ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/114 "2019-06-11T23:30:52Z")
> [@Xanadu](#): > > No, I interpreted him saying that $350 was selling it at a loss. But that’s already twice as much as it was originally priced for - I believe Heath said in the other thread that the original sold for $180. Detective Comics #27 sold originally for 10 cents. So as long as you sell it for more than 10 cents you did ok? With all due respect I don’t think you understand the collectible market. A single sale of a TiWalker for $300 or $350 most certainly denotes a drop in value. Not many get sold so each sale reflects the market. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/115 "2019-06-11T23:31:22Z")
Yeah but I think it’s far too early to draw a conclusion based on one data point. This will take _years_ to play out. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/116 "2019-06-11T23:33:43Z")
How does the old saying go? “One is merely an interesting data point. Two is a coincidence. Three is a pattern. More than three is a _trend_.” I’d say that applies even in a population as small as 89. ---
**Author:** ![Xanadu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/xanadu/32/84910_2.png) [@Xanadu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Xanadu)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/117 "2019-06-11T23:46:03Z")
> [@vegabomb](#): > > With all due respect I don’t think you understand the collectible market. This is true, I don’t because I’m not a collector. Example: I just bought a beautifully restored 1974 John Deere lawn tractor to actually use for cutting my lawn. In part, it was all I could afford, but also I just think its fun to drive. Most people would keep them as collectors items in their garage, but I like to use it for what it was built for. Not that there is anything wrong with being a collector. I certainly like to appreciate history and design. I am just of a different mind set. In conclusion, I support what @codinghorror is doing and I appreciate him taking on this task for the yoyo community. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/118 "2019-06-11T23:49:19Z")
Also! In case anyone missed it, because it was kinda at the end of the video, we are giving away one grey Ti-Vayder to a **random docpop Patreon supporter**. So sign up on docpop’s Patreon if you want a chance to win that! ---
**Author:** ![mrciurleo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a183cd/32.png) [@mrciurleo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mrciurleo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/119 "2019-06-12T00:24:20Z")
I agree that’s a drop in value, especially considering one sold for $600 or $700 earlier this year. One did indeed sell on Facebook for $300 recently, but it was a custom ano which unless done by Jason Wong in the case of the TiWalker, decreases the value (in my opinion at least). ---
**Author:** ![Durfee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/durfee/32/593280_2.png) [@Durfee](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Durfee)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/120 "2019-06-12T02:16:04Z")
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