# PopCast #26: The Ti-Vayder Awakens **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Videos\ **Created:** [June 11, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691 "2019-06-11T00:36:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/41 "2019-06-11T19:03:22Z")
I don’t know how you wanna calculate this bro. You brought it up, you tell me :joy: in this day and age the best yoyo is pure opinion For me personally I would say the greatest yoyo of all time is the Draupnir. Not necessarily because it’s still the best performing, but because it was the final evolution of modern yoyo design. The Draupnir still stands as the standard to which all great yoyos should be compared to. So in my personal opinion I would say the Draupnir is the GOAT. Or if you wanna buy some Speeders cuz it won worlds 3 times you can do that too :joy: ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/42 "2019-06-11T19:06:33Z")
Everyone is entitled to their (informed) optinion. _I’m not informed enough so I don’t actually have an opinion on the Best Yoyo Ever Made_. But when it comes to claiming there is a consensus on such a superlative, I instinctively ask how the consensus was arrived at. ---
**Author:** ![smileypants707](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/smileypants707/32/19045_2.png) [@smileypants707](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/smileypants707)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/43 "2019-06-11T19:07:27Z")
Exactly. Anyone who has known me for any length of time, knows that I have a pretty decent little collection consisting of a lot of these highly acclaimed releases. It’s not a joke when I say that’s all of my other yoyos feel meh in comparison. It’s crazy, there’s something really special about this particular model. Not that my opinion ought to be taken as gospel, @zslane, but it’s something to consider. it’s not that I don’t like my other yoyos anymore, it’s that there is something about this particular design that stands out from everything else I have owned and played. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/44 "2019-06-11T19:07:43Z")
Well if you’ve played a lot of yoyos… and you think one of them performs better than every other one you’ve tried… then that’s the best yoyo to you. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/45 "2019-06-11T19:10:24Z")
It isn’t about what any one person thinks or prefers, it is about how _consensus_ is formed. I’m not challenging anyone’s personal opinion on the matter, or even how they arrived at their opinion. ---
**Author:** ![andy569](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/andy569/32/1256_2.png) [@andy569](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/andy569)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/46 "2019-06-11T19:13:23Z")
The consensus arrived cuz a lot of people had the same opinion ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/47 "2019-06-11T19:16:24Z")
Yeah, but “a lot” is pretty vague. And who is this “lot”? I mean, I know we’re all just being casual around here when we talk about how great things are, mostly cuz we all know we’re just bandying personal opinion about, but there’s a huge gulf between perception and truth when the opinions of a relative few are expected to stand representative for the whole (which is the definition of consensus). ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/48 "2019-06-11T19:16:48Z")
When this yoyo came out there was lots of talk about it on the yoyonation forum. Many many people said it was the “best” yoyo they’d played. People (though the number is less probably due to owners of TiWalkers not posting in discussions as much as they used to) on this forum still say the same thing. I don’t know of another yoyo that **ever** had this many people saying it’s the “best”. So that’s where the consensus you refer to comes from. There just isn’t another yoyo this has happened with so it can be assumed that it’s way up there near the best or actually the best. ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/49 "2019-06-11T19:21:50Z")
The Draupnir? When I first joined these forums last summer, the Draupnir was all anyone talked about when the subject of best/most impressive/most desireable (modern) yoyo came up. The TiWalker hardly ever came up in conversation. That’s my recollection anyway. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/50 "2019-06-11T19:29:44Z")
> [@zslane](#): > > The TiWalker hardly ever came up in conversation There has always been a few. vega and yoyodoc are two that come to mind that always bring up the tiwalker. But most of those “Best yoyo ever” threads always end up with 100 different yoyos in them :joy: ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/51 "2019-06-11T19:37:01Z")
I’m really interested to see the general consensus when this release happens. That’ll really tell the tale. I’m pretty sure most are going to feel like @smileypants707 does. > [@smileypants707](#): > > It’s not a joke when I say that’s all of my other yoyos feel meh in comparison. It’s crazy, there’s something really special about this particular model. But we’ll see soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/52 "2019-06-11T19:38:33Z")
The Ti Walker is just too scarce to compare it to some things like a Northstar, Draupnir, or Chief in any tangible way. VERY few players have Ti Walkers. They’re pretty much all in the hands of collectors and hobbyists at this point. Also titanium yo-yos as a whole are still for the most part unused on the world stage. As far as I know (which could VERY well be wrong at this point) the Ti Walker is the only fully titanium yoyo to see the world stage past preliminary rounds. I never designed to Ti Walker to be the “best of all time”, and I don’t think any designer goes in with that mentality. I think players and hobbyists assign those sort of things. With that said, it’s incredibly humbling to look back on all of these years and see players and hobbyists still enjoying this design through the muck, storms, and ages. I hope that this release is everything you all want it to be and more. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/53 "2019-06-11T19:47:43Z")
Heh! I thought it was kinda cruel that Doc made me do what is effectively an offstring trick (Washing Machine) with his new titanium yo-yo 😛 > [@smileypants707](#): > > Not that my opinion ought to be taken as gospel, @zslane, but it’s something to consider. it’s not that I don’t like my other yoyos anymore, it’s that there is something about this particular design that stands out from everything else I have owned and played. To me, the Walker / Vayder stands out because it hits the ‘sweet spot’ of yo-yo design on a couple different levels. You could certainly argue where exactly that spot is, but having gone in quite skeptical then handling an original and the Vayder… I agree, it’s very much a sweet spot yo-yo that has the “just right” combined qualities of weight distribution, dimensions, shape, etc. Will the porridge be too hot or too cold for you? I dunno, but a _lot_ of people like this porridge :wink: ---
**Author:** ![8bitviet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/8bitviet/32/42930_2.png) [@8bitviet](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/8bitviet)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/54 "2019-06-11T19:52:03Z")
One could say he really put you through the ringer. ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/55 "2019-06-11T19:58:15Z")
> [@HVizier](#): > > Also titanium yo-yos as a whole are still for the most part unused on the world stage. As far as I know (which could VERY well be wrong at this point) the Ti Walker is the only fully titanium yoyo to see the world stage past preliminary rounds. The best recent example with the Mustang, a full Titanium from Turning Point. ## Takeshi Matsuura World Yoyo Contest 2018, 1A Finals, 2nd place [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/8/f/f/8ff3d1b5d606a7e64f4e33979489d2e519d94a0b.jpeg "2018World Final 1A 02 Takeshi Matsuura") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpNQ_O5gg1Q) That said, it’s an expensive competition set for most people. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/56 "2019-06-11T19:59:34Z")
Excellent! I knew someone would have had to do it by now, but that only raises further question since Takeshi has won WYYC on less lol. ---
**Author:** ![Damb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/damb/32/44045_2.png) [@Damb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Damb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/57 "2019-06-11T20:03:52Z")
And now the mustang is one of the most hyped/sought after yoyos these days ---
**Author:** ![MarkD](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/markd/32/40845_2.png) [@MarkD](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/MarkD)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/58 "2019-06-11T20:05:54Z")
Takeshi could have won it, it just wasn’t in the cards this year with Evan going so strong in the finals. Both yoyoers had essentially new sigs for the contest and they both did great with them. ---
**Author:** ![HVizier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hvizier/32/48785_2.png) [@HVizier](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/HVizier)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/59 "2019-06-11T20:07:50Z")
My personal favorite non VsN yoyo is either the Berserker (the OG one), the 3rd run Peak, or the Stargazer v2. I also think SEs from OD are pretty great. ---
**Author:** ![da5id](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/da5id/32/48214_2.png) [@da5id](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/da5id)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691/60 "2019-06-11T20:09:15Z")
Seems to me that it’s reasonable for an individual to feel a particular yo-yo is the “best yo-yo ever made” as a personal opinion, but it’s fairly dubious to claim it as objective fact which he appears to be doing in this video. Seemed to go very quickly from the very Trumpian “Many people are saying it’s the best yo-yo ever made” to just “the best yo-yo ever made” without any kind of evidence or support for how that bridge was gaped. And with only 88 in existence (I have one) the sample size of opinion has to be kind of small. Although, maybe I’m misunderstanding. [Previous page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/popcast-26-the-ti-vayder-awakens/303691.md?page=4)