# PMG vs Counter Attack **URL:** \ **Category:** Yo-Yo Reviews\ **Created:** [September 1, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098 "2009-09-01T02:18:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![E.T](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/e.t/32/227_2.png) [@E.T](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/E.T)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/1 "2009-09-01T02:18:12Z")
Im want one of these two yoyos mostly for 5a. I like heavier yoyos. I wanna know which do you think is better for 5a? ---
**Author:** ![polloyoyo12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@polloyoyo12](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/polloyoyo12)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/2 "2009-09-01T02:30:24Z")
counter attachk is heavier but it all comes down to do you want hubstacks on or no hubstacks and matal rings ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/3 "2009-09-01T14:24:15Z")
Counter Attack has more rim-weight and weight in general. PGM has hubstacks. ---
**Author:** ![xcon888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcon888](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xcon888)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/4 "2009-09-01T14:25:52Z")
which PGM? they do come stackless, but not v2.0 ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/5 "2009-09-01T14:27:05Z")
> [@xcon888](#): > > which PGM? they did come stackless, but not v2.0 seewhatididthar? ---
**Author:** ![Domin123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@Domin123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Domin123)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/6 "2009-09-04T11:17:18Z")
> [@xcon888](#): > > which PGM? they do come stackless, but not v2.0 Original Plastic Grind Machines have both a stacked version and a stackless version. PGM version 2.0 has only the stacked version. ---
**Author:** ![Iron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/iron/32/127_2.png) [@Iron](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Iron)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/7 "2009-09-06T17:15:47Z")
I think you would like the Counter Attack more. PGM’s are very light and has hubstacks, giving it center-weight. The Counter Attack is nice and heavy, with most of its weight on the rims, which is something you want in a 5A yo-yo. Plus, if you like heavier yoyo’s, there’s no sense in getting something light. I say, go for the Counter Attack. ---
**Author:** ![muchacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@muchacho](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/muchacho)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/8 "2009-09-06T17:16:10Z")
pgm is the greatest yoyo ever ---
**Author:** ![Domin123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@Domin123](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Domin123)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/9 "2009-09-08T01:45:03Z")
> [@JG1](#): > > pgm is the greatest yoyo ever IYO(In your opinion) ---
**Author:** ![m\_yoyo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/m_yoyo13/32/195_2.png) [@m\_yoyo13](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/m_yoyo13)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/10 "2009-09-08T12:25:23Z")
why not get a die-nasty it was made for 5a ---
**Author:** ![Pheenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/pheenix/32/65_2.png) [@Pheenix](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Pheenix)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/11 "2009-09-08T14:07:45Z")
> [@Marvin.D](#): > > why not get a die-nasty it was made for 5a The Die Nasty is made by the creator of 5a, not specifically for 5a. The Counter Attack is basically a heavier more rim-weighted Die Nasty. ---
**Author:** ![tyler3490](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/tyler3490/32/77_2.png) [@tyler3490](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/tyler3490)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pmg-vs-counter-attack/6098/12 "2009-09-08T20:58:14Z")
or get a recessed fhz, its amazing once recessed