# Please explain modern slimline responsives to me **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [September 27, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401 "2018-09-27T04:28:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/1 "2018-09-27T04:28:15Z")
Why should I buy one of these? They look pretty good, but are there any serious advantages over the wooden fixed axles I throw? I don’t count spin time as an an advange because in the videos I’ve seen of people using them, they use them for regular modern responsive play which generally doesn’t require it. Is it just different colour options? Being able to use regular poly with them? ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/2 "2018-09-27T04:38:50Z")
Well if you suck like I do, you need all the spin time you can get for decent bind chances. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/3 "2018-09-27T04:41:50Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Well if you suck like I do, you need all the spin time you can get for decent bind chances. Well, we all suck at yoyo in one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/4 "2018-09-27T04:50:56Z")
I would say metal density is a big advantage as well, plus bearing. All the same arguments really. Get a YYF Confusion and see what you think. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/5 "2018-09-27T04:54:56Z")
How does metal density help? From what I see in metal slimline designs, they seem to try and work around it. ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/6 "2018-09-27T05:06:13Z")
Sure you can make it more compact. I actually even have two Slimline responsive titaniums but I don’t necessarily recommend that. ---
**Author:** ![vegabomb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/vegabomb/32/199_2.png) [@vegabomb](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/vegabomb)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/7 "2018-09-27T05:08:39Z")
The Confusion is a fun throw and plays well. To be honest though I prefer wooden fixed axle for responsive play. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/8 "2018-09-27T05:23:40Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > I would say metal density is a big advantage as well, plus bearing. Is the bearing an advantage aside from reduced string wear? ---
**Author:** ![FiveIronBrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/fiveironbrian/32/451_2.png) [@FiveIronBrian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/FiveIronBrian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/9 "2018-09-27T14:07:57Z")
Modern responsive slimlines give you a big performance boost in most areas. For example, you can do shoot the moons, loops, and around-the-worlds and regen directly into a long breakaway or frontstyle combo and cap it off with a strong flyaway dismount and it’s effortless. With wood, it’s not trivial. I carry a metal slimline 80% of the time. Don’t get me wrong, I love wood yo-yos. It’s fun to do shorter elements and the feel is unique and rewarding. I just think metal slimlines open up the possibilities and make execution of my personal favorite tricks easier. ---
**Author:** ![AaronW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/aaronw/32/49251_2.png) [@AaronW](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AaronW)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/10 "2018-09-27T15:00:02Z")
I think where you’ll see the biggest difference Glen is in the overall feel and play of a metal slimline. Now, I’m saying this as one that hasn’t tried the ones you are making. But all of the wooden slimlines I’ve tried lack some of the stability, and “solidness” in the feel and play of any metal slimlines on the market. The only slimline wooden yoyo I have right now is a a/Rt Poupon, that I have a greasy bearing in to make it responsive. It’s fun, but it plays completely different than any of the metal slim lines that I own. edit: Just reread your post and saw that you mentioned your _fixed axles_. With that in mind I’d second what Brian said :+1:t3: ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/11 "2018-09-27T15:03:51Z")
They certainly excel at letting your knuckles know when you’ve made a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![gcoomans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/gcoomans/32/25166_2.png) [@gcoomans](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/gcoomans)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/12 "2018-09-27T15:50:29Z")
I may be in the minority here, but I use metal responsives when I know I’m gonna be beating them up, they seem to be able to take more damage than wood and still maintain play quality. overall I prefer regular fixed axle wood though ---
**Author:** ![zslane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/zslane/32/19816_2.png) [@zslane](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zslane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/13 "2018-09-27T17:24:40Z")
I thought the OP was asking about _responsive_ play… ---
**Author:** ![codinghorror](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/codinghorror/32/8052_2.png) [@codinghorror](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/codinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/14 "2018-09-27T17:42:03Z")
Responsives still need to bind and the slower they spin the less odds they will bind. Slower spin and spin loss happens (MUCH) faster on fixed axle. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/15 "2018-09-27T20:14:40Z")
> [@FiveIronBrian](#): > > Modern responsive slimlines give you a big performance boost in most areas. For example, you can do shoot the moons, loops, and around-the-worlds and regen directly into a long breakaway or frontstyle combo and cap it off with a strong flyaway dismount and it’s effortless. With wood, it’s not trivial. So they are useful for a combination of responsive and unresponsive tricks within combos. That sounds interesting. I suppose what concerns me there is that because they can do breakaway or front style combos in the middle of responsive play, the response would be lacking a little over fixed axle? ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/16 "2018-09-27T20:18:59Z")
> [@gcoomans](#): > > I use metal responsives when I know I’m gonna be beating them up, they seem to be able to take more damage than wood and still maintain play quality. I’ve found that beating up my wooden fixed axles doesn’t really affect their play quality. unless of course you abuse it so badly that you crack or snap the axle, which needs serious effort. Another thing I like is because its wood, when you scratch and ding it, the colour of the damage remains the same because the yoyo is the same colour throughout the body. ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/17 "2018-09-27T20:20:14Z")
> [@codinghorror](#): > > Responsives still need to bind and the slower they spin the less odds they will bind. Slower spin and spin loss happens (MUCH) faster on fixed axle. With fixed axles, regens are your friend. ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/18 "2018-09-27T20:21:02Z")
Not sure I understand that second part ---
**Author:** ![anon5341354](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@anon5341354](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anon5341354)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/19 "2018-09-27T20:21:58Z")
The second part of what I just said? ---
**Author:** ![Rosenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/rosenberg/32/20465_2.png) [@Rosenberg](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Rosenberg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401/20 "2018-09-27T20:22:35Z")
Yeah about the combos having to do with the response [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/please-explain-modern-slimline-responsives-to-me/293401.md?page=2)