# Plastic Grind Machine vs Speedteam **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [June 2, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884 "2011-06-02T01:37:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/1 "2011-06-02T01:37:01Z")
[s]So, I need a better 1a yoyo. Which one of these do you think are the smoothest, can sleep long, is stable, and best “Bang for your buck”? PGM2 Starlite Legacy Popstar Under $20 (I don’t really need to save up for these) Velocity Speed Maker Lyn Fury Duncan FHZ Pocket change Bolt (I’ve heard these are no longer made, but I see them on Docpop’s site. Are they still made?) [/s] Ok, so I’ve narrowed it down to the PGM or a speedteam yoyo (Four saints, nine tailed beast) ---
**Author:** ![sloat24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@sloat24](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sloat24)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/2 "2011-06-02T01:48:59Z")
Starlite is the best outta all these because: Its basically a proto/northstar Its plastic weight rings in the rims help keep it stable and sleep longer Wide gap Its cheap UMMMM IT GLOWS!! ;D Hope I helped Austin ---
**Author:** ![bunsoy1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@bunsoy1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bunsoy1)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/3 "2011-06-02T01:56:49Z")
Get a YYJ Kickside. It’s smooth like butter and after you brake in the bearing it needs onnly very little maintanance. ---
**Author:** ![YOYOJAMizm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yoyojamizm/32/774_2.png) [@YOYOJAMizm](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOYOJAMizm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/4 "2011-06-02T01:57:56Z")
naa the starlite has better rim weight already cleaned bearing (center trac), plays like a protostar, sili response ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/5 "2011-06-02T02:05:45Z")
Is there a starlite that doesn’t glow? I really don’t like the color. Looks like a dog peed on it. I guess I could always dye it, but I’d rather not. ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/6 "2011-06-02T02:31:14Z")
You can paint it if you want to. But you must know how and it’s not as easy as you think. I don’t even know if it’s possible. And, yeah, I also vote for Starlite. ---
**Author:** ![Smoke770077](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Smoke770077](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Smoke770077)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/7 "2011-06-02T02:41:42Z")
Have you looked at buying second hand yoyos? Yojon has a Revolution for $20 and an Axiom for $30 > **[FOR TRADE LF/meatals but wants gnarwhal](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,28421.0.html)** > > PLEASE MAKE OFFER IF PRICEs ARE TO HIGH PLEASE READ you can buy all these yoyos (revolution,fiesta,flea,axiom) for only 100$ shipped or buy them separate with price listed PM me or email:  jcado35@yahoo.com if you want any more pictures or... ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/8 "2011-06-02T04:18:39Z")
> [@Mitch](#): > > Have you looked at buying second hand yoyos? > > Yojon has a Revolution for $20 and an Axiom for $30 > > [FOR TRADE LF/meatals but wants gnarwhal - Buy / Sell / Trade - YoYoExpert](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,28421.0.html) Yeah, but I sorta like keeping my yoyos in near perfect condition. And thanks to whoever moved my topic. ---
**Author:** ![AngryGumball](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/angrygumball/32/683872_2.png) [@AngryGumball](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/AngryGumball)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/9 "2011-06-02T04:26:55Z")
Personally, in the plastics category, I love the Lyn Fury and the Freehand 2010 version (with recessed pads). With a few tweaks, my Fury plays right up there with my Raptor and RecRev. ---
**Author:** ![ItzChris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/itzchris/32/540_2.png) [@ItzChris](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ItzChris)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/10 "2011-06-02T04:46:21Z")
If you can get your hands on a Legacy. You won’t be dissapointed cause that thing is truely amazing. It has super long spins, its really stable, and it looks cool. All for $22. ---
**Author:** ![Reddsigma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/reddsigma/32/759_2.png) [@Reddsigma](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Reddsigma)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/11 "2011-06-02T05:20:39Z")
> [@Astropoke](#): > > Is there a starlite that doesn’t glow? I really don’t like the color. Looks like a dog peed on it. I guess I could always dye it, but I’d rather not. Actually, you can paint it with Acrylic paint from the Art Store. I was messing around one day and experimented with this and it works fine for cosmetic purposes. And the acrylic paint easily removes with Alcohol whenever you want. I was not worried about changing the surface since the Protostar sucks at grinding anyway, and play was not affected so what’s the diff. Here’s a couple pics I have in my library as an example. I got bored with the red look so I did one half black which I think looks killer. Then a few weeks later I took it off again hehe and the yoyo was just like it was before, nice and red with no after effects. Of course you need some measure of skill to apply it. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/a/e/d/aedbe3fa5d8da0d819913750c30b6a5f3f9a6717.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/b/4/0b41788b1e7eefdfbf51454eee87957de3ce237e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Swatnoodle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/swatnoodle/32/855_2.png) [@Swatnoodle](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Swatnoodle)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/12 "2011-06-02T05:53:00Z")
Imo, i hate the starlite color, so unless you love glow in the dark, i would go for a proto/north star. Also, pgm is amazing as it is the yyf plastic all in one yoyo ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/13 "2011-06-02T15:00:32Z")
> [@Reddsigma](#): > > > [@Astropoke](#): > > > > Is there a starlite that doesn’t glow? I really don’t like the color. Looks like a dog peed on it. I guess I could always dye it, but I’d rather not. > > Actually, you can paint it with Acrylic paint from the Art Store. I was messing around one day and experimented with this and it works fine for cosmetic purposes. And the acrylic paint easily removes with Alcohol whenever you want. I was not worried about changing the surface since the Protostar sucks at grinding anyway, and play was not affected so what’s the diff. Here’s a couple pics I have in my library as an example. I got bored with the red look so I did one half black which I think looks killer. Then a few weeks later I took it off again hehe and the yoyo was just like it was before, nice and red with no after effects. Of course you need some measure of skill to apply it. I don’t like the dry, crinkly texture of acrylics. So now, here are my choices: PGM2 (I’m leaning toward this) Lyn Fury Legacy ---
**Author:** ![Reddsigma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/reddsigma/32/759_2.png) [@Reddsigma](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Reddsigma)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/14 "2011-06-02T16:11:09Z")
> [@Astropoke](#): > > > [@Reddsigma](#): > > > > > [@Astropoke](#): > > > > > > Is there a starlite that doesn’t glow? I really don’t like the color. Looks like a dog peed on it. I guess I could always dye it, but I’d rather not. > > > > Actually, you can paint it with Acrylic paint from the Art Store. I was messing around one day and experimented with this and it works fine for cosmetic purposes. And the acrylic paint easily removes with Alcohol whenever you want. I was not worried about changing the surface since the Protostar sucks at grinding anyway, and play was not affected so what’s the diff. Here’s a couple pics I have in my library as an example. I got bored with the red look so I did one half black which I think looks killer. Then a few weeks later I took it off again hehe and the yoyo was just like it was before, nice and red with no after effects. Of course you need some measure of skill to apply it. > > I don’t like the dry, crinkly texture of acrylics. > > So now, here are my choices: > PGM2 (I’m leaning toward this) > Lyn Fury > Legacy with a brush there is some texture, or with an airbrush smooooth as silk… good luck with those choices… ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/15 "2011-06-03T05:49:39Z")
I would say Speed Team yoyo. My PGM really doesn’t play clean no matter how I fix it. I don’t know why, it just tilts, fools around, messes up and slows down all in one and every throw. Maybe that’s just mine, but I don’t like my PGM. ---
**Author:** ![hadoq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/hadoq/32/688_2.png) [@hadoq](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/hadoq)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/plastic-grind-machine-vs-speedteam/26884/16 "2011-06-06T18:00:34Z")
if I remember, I’ve tried the speed team and it was a beast the PGM is irrelevant