# Phenom? Is it worth it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [December 14, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330 "2014-12-14T03:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/1 "2014-12-14T03:38:31Z")
Hello I am looking at the YYJ Phenom right now. It really appeals to me right now with the bi metal design and weight rings. Right now my favorite throws are CLYW AC2 YYF Superstar YYF Horizon Oxygene Io What do you guys think of it? I know its been around for a while so it must have a rep of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/2 "2014-12-14T03:44:23Z")
yes, definitely an awesome yoyo I wish I could put my hands on an old version ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/3 "2014-12-14T03:58:48Z")
> [@naoki](#): > > yes, definitely an awesome yoyo > I wish I could put my hands on an old version wait? There are two or more versions of the Phenom? If so, what do you think of the new one that was recently restocked or the few black/pink splash ones? ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/4 "2014-12-14T04:19:18Z")
> [@YOLOcop\_57](#): > > wait? > There are two or more versions of the Phenom? > If so, what do you think of the new one that was recently restocked or the few black/pink splash ones? I am also looking at the Northern Spins Quantum. If anyone has any opinions or insight. ---
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/5 "2014-12-14T05:04:01Z")
> [@YOLOcop\_57](#): > > wait? > There are two or more versions of the Phenom? > If so, what do you think of the new one that was recently restocked or the few black/pink splash ones? Basically just a cap design change. When Mickey was in YY and after he left. There were also the Phenom T and the Phenom Eco that were different enough from the OG Phenom to be mentioned, but they are very hard to find anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/6 "2014-12-14T05:33:24Z")
The old Phenom weights ~3g more than the new one. The ‘eco’ phenom, if you mean the yellow one with nickel rings, is identical in structure to other old ‘signed’ phenoms. Some (most notably the new Phenom-using YYJ team member Liu Zhaoyuan) claim there is a difference between the ‘‘first run’’ phenoms that Hiroyuki used in eg 2010WYYC until 2011AP especially the pink and blue ones, and the later runs of this ‘old’ version (everything with non-silver caps or non-gold ring, splash and acid wash, among others). I have played both but not side by side, and can’t tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/7 "2014-12-14T05:55:53Z")
I’ve not thrown a new one, but I used to have 5 older Phenoms that did have a difference of about 3g between the lighter and the heavier. There might have been a difference between runs. But the Royal Blue Phenom was the best :wink: ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/8 "2014-12-14T06:12:59Z")
> [@naoki](#): > > I’ve not thrown a new one, but I used to have 5 older Phenoms that did have a difference of about 3g between the lighter and the heavier. There might have been a difference between runs. But the Royal Blue Phenom was the best :wink: All production run signature phenoms should weigh ~69g with caps ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/9 "2014-12-14T07:44:55Z")
At 142.50 I’d be buying something else You could have any of these bimetals for cheaper > **[YoYoFactory](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/yoyofactory)** > > YoYoFactory was born in 2004 with a focus on functional technology to improve the playing experience. This has been a goal of the company which relies on the experience gathered from over 30 years of demonstrating yoyos around the planet. The end... [http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid) > **[YoYoExpert - Yo-Yo Store - Buy & Shop Modern Yo-Yos!](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/)** > > At YoYoExpert we deliver the best yoyo shopping experience and an amazing selection you can't find anywhere else. Shop YoYoFactory, Duncan, Yomega & many more! The better option though would be this guy if you could spare another $30 > **[C3yoyodesign](https://shop.yoyoexpert.com/collections/c3yoyodesign)** > > C3yoyodesign has made it their mission to deliver some of the highest quality and built for performance yo-yos you can get your hands on. Being based in Hong Kong with an extremely competitive yo-yo culture they know what it takes to empower a... I think pushing the higher density material to the edge or the rims takes advantage of it more and provides better stability. The phenom just doesn’t stand up to the others in my opinion. If I were getting a yoyojam I’d get a diamondback. ---
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/10 "2014-12-14T07:45:59Z")
> [@kadabrium](#): > > All production run signature phenoms should weigh ~69g with caps should ---
**Author:** ![kadabrium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/kadabrium/32/1522_2.png) [@kadabrium](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/kadabrium)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/11 "2014-12-14T07:48:07Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > At 142.50 I’d be buying something else > > You could have any of these bimetals for cheaper > [YoYoFactory – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1257/YYF-Space-Cowboy) > [http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid) > [YoYoExpert - Yo-Yo Store - Buy & Shop Modern Yo-Yos!](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1135/Adegle-Accel) > > The better option though would be this guy if you could spare another $30 > [C3yoyodesign – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1301/C3YoYoDesign-Berserker-SS) > > I think pushing the higher density material to the edge or the rims takes advantage of it more and provides better stability. The phenom just doesn’t stand up to the others in my opinion. If I were getting a yoyojam I’d get a diamondback. Next level: u dont say > [@naoki](#): > > should 3g is a lot. pics or it didnt happen ---
**Author:** ![naoki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/naoki/32/843_2.png) [@naoki](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/naoki)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/12 "2014-12-14T07:51:35Z")
it didn’t happen EDIT: my bad, the light one was not a production run ---
**Author:** ![doug77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5a626/32.png) [@doug77](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/doug77)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/13 "2014-12-14T12:12:46Z")
You should look into the BST. I see phenoms in good to mint condition pop up all the time for super cheap, like around $60 - $70. ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/14 "2014-12-14T16:01:10Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > At 142.50 I’d be buying something else > > You could have any of these bimetals for cheaper > [YoYoFactory – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1257/YYF-Space-Cowboy) > [http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1293/King-Yo-Star-Rapid) > [YoYoExpert - Yo-Yo Store - Buy & Shop Modern Yo-Yos!](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1135/Adegle-Accel) > > The better option though would be this guy if you could spare another $30 > [C3yoyodesign – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/1301/C3YoYoDesign-Berserker-SS) > > I think pushing the higher density material to the edge or the rims takes advantage of it more and provides better stability. The phenom just doesn’t stand up to the others in my opinion. If I were getting a yoyojam I’d get a diamondback. I am really interested in the Adegle Accel and the KYS Rapid. I dont think I will be able to spend as much on the Berserker SS. How does the Accel play? The relatively high walls makes me question its horizontal capabilities. Same goes for the Rapid. Both seem like pretty similar yoyos. What would you recomend? ---
**Author:** ![sparhawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@sparhawk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/sparhawk)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/15 "2014-12-14T16:51:42Z")
Both are perfectly capable of horizontal and stable. My personal preference between the 2 would be the Rapid though. ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/16 "2014-12-14T17:50:05Z")
> [@sparhawk](#): > > Both are perfectly capable of horizontal and stable. My personal preference between the 2 would be the Rapid though. In what way? Spin? speed? weight? profile? ---
**Author:** ![YOLOcop\_57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/yolocop_57/32/1504_2.png) [@YOLOcop\_57](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/YOLOcop_57)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/17 "2014-12-14T17:56:24Z")
after looking at the specs, I think I will go with the Accel. ---
**Author:** ![DKiminator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19b73/32.png) [@DKiminator](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DKiminator)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/phenom-is-it-worth-it/71330/18 "2014-12-15T19:37:59Z")
Is it worth it for horizontal? Yes. Is it worth it for everything else? In my opinion, no. The phenom is not stable, the response is not good, and when I got it it was vibey.