# PGMv2 vs Velocity vs Speed maker
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335
**Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation
**Created:** [October 11, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335 "2009-10-11T12:10:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@notverygood](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/notverygood)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/1 "2009-10-11T12:10:19Z")
Well, in SGD the PGMv2 costs 48, and velocity costs 35 and speed maker 30. so i was wondering which yoyo woukld be the best buy. im a intermediate yoyo moving on to advanced. im looking for long sleeps. i noe it depends on your throw and all but in general. pls reply asap. cuz im getting a yoyo soon. and currently i use the fast 201 in case it helps. (:
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### Author:  [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/2 "2009-10-11T12:28:44Z")
you should buy the velocity
[I say get a Velocity. - Yo-Yo Reviews - YoYoExpert](http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php/topic,7480.0.html) i would highly recomend it.
if you like hubs, PGM is right for you. i grinds great and thats where the name come from.
hmmm speedmaker is a intermediate yoyo but it is fast. plays really FAST.
[YoYoJam – YoYoExpert](http://shop.yoyoexpert.com/product/11/YYJ-Speed-Maker) watch the speedmaker vid!!!
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### Author:  [@Wings](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Wings)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/3 "2009-10-11T12:32:59Z")
A tie between PGM and Velocity
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### Author:  [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/4 "2009-10-11T14:15:29Z")
ya
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### Author:  [@xShinji](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/xShinji)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/5 "2009-10-11T14:49:46Z")
PGMv2 is a great yo-yo come with hubs (which is the only plastic has hubs,beside pgmv1 )
Veolocity on the other hand can turn from responsive to unresponsive and turn back to responsive
Which mean, you actually can use it from beginner to advanced and back to beginner for your freehand
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### Author:  [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/6 "2009-10-11T16:32:29Z")
If you can bind, I highly recommend the PGM2. It is an extremely good yoyo, and I would put it up there with all of my metals.
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### Author:  [@notverygood](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/notverygood)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/7 "2009-10-12T07:13:05Z")
ok. well right now i dun rly want a responsive yoyo cuz when im halfway doing a trick my fast 201 pops back into my hand, which is rly fustrating. So comparing the sleep times for all three yoyos, which is the best? in general at least.
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### Author:  [@ijuggleyoyos](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/ijuggleyoyos)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/8 "2009-10-17T16:13:50Z")
i HATE my pgm v2 IMO, but the velocity seems good. and get it at yye cause its like $10 cheaper 😛
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### Author:  [@notverygood](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/notverygood)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/9 "2009-10-21T04:00:34Z")
yea. i tried friends’ pgmv2. i didn’t really like it. so i got the velocity v2. its really smooth! and much lighter than pgmv2. so the speed of which i do my tricks seem to be faster. =) thanks everyone!!! but i still want to know. between velocity and speed maker. Which is better?
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### Author:  [@helioNXG](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/helioNXG)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2009, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgmv2-vs-velocity-vs-speed-maker/7335/10 "2009-10-21T11:04:13Z")
they are both fast