# PGM binding practice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking for Help/Recommendation\ **Created:** [March 10, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550 "2011-03-10T19:51:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/1 "2011-03-10T19:51:18Z")
Just wanted to know if I can practice bind with a PGM, because everyone tells me I wont be ablte to use DV888 if I can’t bind that well. So I’m thinking of buying PGM and DV888. Don’t unbox DV888 until I learn to bind well, and unbox it 3-4 weeks after my binding gets better. These are currently the things in my cart. Remove 100 Count - 100% Polyester YoYoExpert String Neon Orange - 100 Count $12.99 Remove 100 Count - 100% Polyester YoYoExpert String Neon Yellow - 100 Count $12.99 Remove Shinwoo LOOP Translucent Pink $9.99 Remove YoYoFactory Response Broad Pad CBC (Grind Machine Size) $2.20 Remove YoYoFactory Response Slim - CBC White Pads (888 Size) $2.20 Remove YoYoJam Lube Thin Lube (Maintain Bearing) $5.00 Remove YYF Bearings SPEC Bearing Large (Size C) - 250 x .500 x .187 in $9.99 Remove YYF DV888 2011 Aqua $44.99 Remove YYF Grind Machine Red Body with White Rings $29.99 Product Subtotal $130.34 What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![mingfu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@mingfu](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mingfu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/2 "2011-03-10T20:07:56Z")
i would just practice on the dv888 (binding) but then again i dont really know. But i used my Dark Magic 2 too practice binding instead of my old yoyo(my old yoyo sucked!!) ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/3 "2011-03-10T20:12:29Z")
> [@mingfu](#): > > i would just practice on the dv888 (binding) but then again i dont really know. But i used my Dark Magic 2 too practice binding instead of my old yoyo(my old yoyo sucked!!) So… Dump the PGM and get something and get 2 gloves instead? ---
**Author:** ![TheFerret2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/76d3ee/32.png) [@TheFerret2010](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/TheFerret2010)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/4 "2011-03-10T20:16:00Z")
The pgm is a great learner for binding, can even go as far as mastery tricks. I’ve got 2 and I learned everything nearly off one. Don’t like the vibe that comes with it or the stacks, just remove the stacks and use a pitch bolt (forgot the measurements, sure you can find it somewhere through the Search). You could learn binding off a dv888 as well though. Just depends on your budget, bother are great throws in my opinion. Can’t go wrong with either one. ---
**Author:** ![stephosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/stephosh/32/770_2.png) [@stephosh](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/stephosh)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/5 "2011-03-10T20:19:09Z")
If you really want a DV888, buy it and put thick lube in the bearing so it’s responsive. After you’re better with binds, clean the bearing so it’s unresponsive again. I think the PGM is a unresponsive yo yo anyways. ---
**Author:** ![anonyo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@anonyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/anonyo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/6 "2011-03-10T20:20:23Z")
There is no difference in binding the pgm than the DV888. Get what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Preinfalk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/preinfalk/32/551_2.png) [@Preinfalk](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Preinfalk)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/7 "2011-03-10T20:24:58Z")
Most yoyos are great to learn to bind on these days. Your ability to bind will not differ if you use the dv888 or the pgm. I personally started on a legacy. It takes a bit more winding, but you don’t need to learn to bind on a responsive yoyo. As long as you have the patience for it, you can bind on most yoyos out today. ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/8 "2011-03-10T20:28:04Z")
OK so get DV888 and spend $30 on something else, what should I spend them on? Maybe a KK bearing? Or get both and add them to my collection? ---
**Author:** ![patrickcondon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/patrickcondon/32/619950_2.png) [@patrickcondon](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/patrickcondon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/9 "2011-03-10T20:33:50Z")
I wouldn’t bother with the KK bearing. It doesn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/10 "2011-03-10T20:36:08Z")
> [@patrickcondon](#): > > I wouldn’t bother with the KK bearing. It doesn’t help. So just get the Grind Machine and add it to collection? Or just save for virtual money I buy for games? ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/11 "2011-03-10T21:33:58Z")
Help? Bump ---
**Author:** ![Trace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/trace/32/620097_2.png) [@Trace](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Trace)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/12 "2011-03-10T23:10:24Z")
If you like both yoyos get both of them, they’re both good yoyos. But if you’re just getting the PGM to practice bind you don’t have to get it. Also if I were you I would look into finding some RTV silicone because pads cost a lot but that my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![mgodinez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mgodinez/32/585_2.png) [@mgodinez](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mgodinez)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/13 "2011-03-10T23:17:23Z")
you can bind on any unresponsive yo yo…just depends on the setup. granted the gap size on the pgm is smaller - lendin’ itself to bind easier. i think you can learn how to bind w/ a dv888. mgodinez rain… ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/14 "2011-03-11T01:10:02Z")
you totally don’t need both cause with brand new response systems, you can bind on anything. here’s proof: here is how my freind binds, trapzez, drop the trapeze. somehow he binds like that and it works on his brand new grind machine. same as dv888 no difference and i would save up for another all metal instead of kk, kk is useless unless you’re a bearing changer with 100 extra bearings. ---
**Author:** ![mls5stokes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/mls5stokes/32/681_2.png) [@mls5stokes](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/mls5stokes)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/15 "2011-03-11T08:59:19Z")
You could drop the PGM and the shinwoo loop and wait for the loop 900’s to come out on the 18th ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/16 "2011-03-11T14:42:55Z")
> [@mls5stokes](#): > > You could drop the PGM and the shinwoo loop and wait for the loop 900’s to come out on the 18th Loop 900 is gonna be expensive, like $20+ I won’t get Grind machine, I’ll buy a YYJ Fiesta instead, that means all I can spend is $18 on a looping yoyo (If i’m dropping the Shinwoo LOOP). ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/17 "2011-03-12T00:00:01Z")
yeah, but looks like he can’t wait…but its worth waiting ---
**Author:** ![Antwan1997](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/antwan1997/32/814_2.png) [@Antwan1997](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Antwan1997)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/18 "2011-03-12T16:34:46Z")
> [@skeletonboy333](#): > > yeah, but looks like he can’t wait…but its worth waiting I am still learning how to do a basic inside loop, maybe 2A isn’t my thing. So I would just go with a Shinwoo LOOP. Don’t want to buy something too expensive that I won’t use you know. ---
**Author:** ![skeletonboy333](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@skeletonboy333](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/skeletonboy333)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/19 "2011-03-12T17:02:49Z")
ok that would be great ---
**Author:** ![DG1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/dg1/32/606_2.png) [@DG1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/DG1)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550/20 "2011-03-13T21:07:01Z")
If I were you, I’d just get 100 strings, DV888, thin lube, and a spare response set. That’ll be all you need to start up. Don’t spend too much starting out. My 2 cents. [Next page](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-binding-practice/24550.md?page=2)