# PGM and DM **URL:** \ **Category:** General Yo-Yo\ **Created:** [April 29, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984 "2009-04-29T01:23:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lukeeluciano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@lukeeluciano](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lukeeluciano)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/1 "2009-04-29T01:23:00Z")
I noticed that my stackless PGM spins longer and is smoother than my DM. Does that sound right? Or is there something wrong with my DM? ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/2 "2009-04-29T01:51:56Z")
Sounds right to me. My PGM is smoother them my DM as well. ---
**Author:** ![Paolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Paolo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Paolo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/3 "2009-04-29T04:24:37Z")
> [@Samad](#): > > Sounds right to me. My PGM is smoother them my DM as well. same with me ---
**Author:** ![Starscreem88](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/starscreem88/32/26_2.png) [@Starscreem88](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Starscreem88)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/4 "2009-04-29T04:26:17Z")
Same with me, but why don’t you tune up with you DM to spin longer and faster than PGM. Happy Throwing! =] ---
**Author:** ![lukeeluciano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@lukeeluciano](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/lukeeluciano)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/5 "2009-04-29T05:40:35Z")
how do I do that? even though the PGM is smoother and spins longer, it looks cheap compared to the DM. Thats what kinda bothers me, I have the black PGM and I can see the plastic mold flashings from the molding process. ---
**Author:** ![Samad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/samad/32/19_2.png) [@Samad](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Samad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/6 "2009-04-29T23:35:57Z")
> [@lukeeluciano](#): > > how do I do that? even though the PGM is smoother and spins longer, it looks cheap compared to the DM. Thats what kinda bothers me, I have the black PGM and I can see the plastic mold flashings from the molding process. You’re generally able to see that because its plastic, and of the shape ---
**Author:** ![yoyodude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@yoyodude](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/yoyodude)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/7 "2009-04-30T00:32:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Same with me, but why don’t you tune up with you DM to spin longer and faster than PGM. > [@](#): > > how do I do that? even though the PGM is smoother and spins longer, it looks cheap compared to the DM. Thats what kinda bothers me, I have the black PGM and I can see the plastic mold flashings from the molding process. Please explain how to tune. ---
**Author:** ![knobbemoki1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forums.yoyoexpert.com/knobbemoki1/32/28_2.png) [@knobbemoki1](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/knobbemoki1)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/pgm-and-dm/1984/8 "2009-04-30T01:34:25Z")
yea, the PGM is a great yoyo thanks to silicone response, and yea PGM\>DM, but DM is an awesome yo as well.