# Permatex 22074 Ultra Grey for very unresponsive return system

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**Created:** [May 5, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904 "2023-05-05T07:33:42Z")\
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Tried some ultra grey about a week ago on some yo-yos that frustrated me. Both yo-yos have non typical pads, A bearing and CLYW. Pulled out one pad each, and did flush grey in the leaf and recessed in the cold fusion.

 ![IMG_6439](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/c/4/7/c47f066490c780a193336b3a2824bd4a1c1b3d18.jpeg)

 ![IMG_6440](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/2/a/02af5b104a7f9249dad3039cf538b3cfa8682aee.jpeg)

After 1 week of play. Both yo-yos have gotten about an hour each of play, maybe more. Both are a little more enjoyable. The Leaf feels much more powerful now.

 ![IMG_6545](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/0/1/3/013271edb30184dbff95489af33604c94b3bf81d.jpeg)

 ![IMG_6547](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/9/3/7/93704367b86a9a1d9a9b857bdf2456364d485927.jpeg)

Comparison of other pads.

 ![IMG_6548](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/6/9/f6929f86db81a77ed79eeaab7135eaba7091a6e7.jpeg)

Here’s some of the clear flowable (didn’t seem to act like flowable) from a month ago. Was curious about response with the Plastic peak, as I’ve always enjoyed how it played, but the pads always protruded. Just dint bother me. And I wanted to experiment. I think the clear was so low that’s it’s basically like playing with 1 pad. All the string I use is OT Wild (fat, I guess) canopy rope, and cloudweave.

 ![IMG_6550](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/yoyoexpert1/original/4X/f/1/7/f17a2ea95d3958a1c79702428753d91a61cc97ec.jpeg)

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