# Permatex 22074 Ultra Grey for very unresponsive return system
**URL:** https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904
**Category:** Yo-Yo Mods and Maintenance
**Created:** [May 5, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904 "2023-05-05T07:33:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/262 "2023-09-02T20:18:07Z")
Thanks! I actually thought about you mentioning using a syringe last night before I started but I was feeling lazy. I was going to do it cause I hate wasting all the excess that ends up in the plastic tube. It’s like the amount to probably do a whole nother yoyo.
I been using one of them mini cards you hook to a keychain that like gas stations and grocery stores hand out for customer rewards.
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/263 "2023-10-01T03:07:59Z")
Back at it…I’m hoping this helps my first base. My response on my first base always been slippy at times.
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### Author:  [@zaf](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zaf)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/264 "2023-10-01T03:11:09Z")
You prob want to pair it with some fat string since you can only make it less responsive from however responsive flush is
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/265 "2023-10-01T03:15:00Z")
I had luck with my recognition response becoming more to my liking after changing to ultra grey. Well see how it goes once it dries I suppose.
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/266 "2023-10-01T03:18:17Z")
For me was very aggressive the recog original pad, much better with the silicone.
I am just siiconing everything nowadays 🤣
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/267 "2023-10-01T03:20:16Z")
I don’t know why mine was slippy for me. I think I recall we both were using the same AceYo too. Probably cause your so good at yoyoing compared to me haha. Me too man, it’s alot more economical too for my cheap self.
I honestly was worried ultra grey was going to be too slippy for me but I feel like my shooting star binds became tighter too with the grey and I was replacing a newer pad that had fell out.
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### Author:  [@Slestak75](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Slestak75)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/268 "2023-10-01T12:20:29Z")
Not entirely true. Since the Ultra Grey is softer once dried than most response pads it will be more grippy. So if you apply it flush, it will be more responsive than a flush pad. But you can also recess it further creating less response.
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/269 "2023-10-20T20:32:10Z")
After months of very hard playing those throw become so unresponsive that bind was basically impossible lmao, I can see the metal at the base for how much the pad was worn out, the very curious stuff is that closer to the bearing it was the most worn out part and less on the outer sides, in all the yoyos was like that, always thought pads kind of consume all together at the same time and not a side before the other, will be cool to know if someone has an explanation!
Yoyos are:
Clyw - Klondike
Lm studio - Boundaries
Unprld - Seiji
Old pads:
Old Permatex pad consumed:
New silicone ready to dry:
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### Author:  [@zaf](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/zaf)
#### Post date: [October 20, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/270 "2023-10-20T20:44:04Z")
Well the string grabs there first when you send it in for a bind so naturally that would wear out faster than the outer part
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### Author:  [@Yooo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Yooo)
#### Post date: [October 22, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/271 "2023-10-22T12:20:09Z")
That seiji looks so nice.
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### Author:  [@rkalajian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rkalajian)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/272 "2023-11-02T11:10:24Z")
Just ordered a tube for myself, and it should be coming in today. The pads on my Laevateinn pooped the bed yesterday, and I figured I’d give it a try! I’ll post results once I’ve got’em.
EDIT: That was _tougher_ than I thought! Kinda messy, but I cleaned it up the best I could. I’ll have to pull some out of the bearing seat once it cures.
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### Author:  [@GTDropKnot](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/GTDropKnot)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/273 "2023-11-02T17:13:06Z")
once it fully cures, it will peel right off.
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### Author:  [@Marioyo](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Marioyo)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/274 "2023-11-02T17:13:31Z")
The mess is easy to clean once its cured, satisfying to peel it off, too.
I just did my daily rotation as well. Mcmo is left out because I already flowed it. Goooood stuff.
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### Author:  [@bheinz63](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/bheinz63)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/275 "2023-11-02T17:16:10Z")
> [@Marioyo](#):
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> satisfying to peel it off, too.
honestly my favorite part about siliconing lol
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### Author:  [@rkalajian](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/rkalajian)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/276 "2023-11-03T16:37:43Z")
Just strung up my throw today and it feels wonderful!
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2023, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/277 "2023-11-21T12:21:31Z")
Yesterday I was playing with my Motif and I was like “what the hell is going on with it” after around 30 minutes of playing I was really struggling to bind or throw with my normal power it seemed the yoyo was “loose”, than I opened it and I discovered in which situation was the silicone :joy:
Also I do think it is time for a new string as well lmao
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### Author:  [@fradiger](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/fradiger)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/278 "2023-11-22T20:03:10Z")
looks a little rough but i go back in and smooth em out after they set up a bit 😛
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### Author:  [@Gr00vR](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Gr00vR)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/279 "2023-11-22T20:18:58Z")
Out of curiosity, where do you guys store the opened tube? In the fridge?
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/280 "2023-11-22T20:20:06Z")
@fradiger we were siliconing at the same time in different parts of the world.
Just silicone those bad boys:
Unprld - Motif
Unprld - Recognition
Yoyofriends - Shortcut
Close to be an amazing job except I messed up in the Shortcut, oh well it will be fine after throw it a little bit tomorrow
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### Author:  [@Albertino](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/u/Albertino)
#### Post date: [November 22, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.yoyoexpert.com/t/permatex-22074-ultra-grey-for-very-unresponsive-return-system/374904/281 "2023-11-22T20:23:35Z")
I keep it in the freezee, I have a tube there from when I opened this post is about to finish now but still work great and not dry at all!
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